Prove that set is convex. [closed]
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How to prove that these two sets are convex for certain $p$?
And for what p they will not be convex?
$$A= {(x,y) in Bbb R^2 : |x|^p+|y|^p le 1, p in Bbb R}$$
$$B = {(x,y) in Bbb R^2 : x>0,y>0, x^p+y^p le 1, p in Bbb R}$$
convex-analysis convex-optimization
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How to prove that these two sets are convex for certain $p$?
And for what p they will not be convex?
$$A= {(x,y) in Bbb R^2 : |x|^p+|y|^p le 1, p in Bbb R}$$
$$B = {(x,y) in Bbb R^2 : x>0,y>0, x^p+y^p le 1, p in Bbb R}$$
convex-analysis convex-optimization
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closed as off-topic by Saad, José Carlos Santos, Chinnapparaj R, Brahadeesh, Vidyanshu Mishra Dec 1 '18 at 13:32
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In the first case if we assume that $p$ is positive, it is quite obvious, but I can't prove it strictly.
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 8:29
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Can you check the equation again to make sure that is the question without typo or missing information? also, please include your attempt.
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– Siong Thye Goh
Dec 1 '18 at 8:30
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Everything is fine. What's the problem? I understand how these two sets will look for the positive $p$, but what about strict proff? I can't manage with it. The only way to prove it that I know is to show that $forall x,y in A rightarrow {z in A: z=(1-lambda)x+lambda y in A, lambda in [0,1] }$
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 8:34
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Assuming $R$ are the reals, did you try to apply the definition of your last comment? Let x be the point nearer to the origin and show that each point between x and y is also in the disk.
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– Jasper
Dec 1 '18 at 8:45
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I do not understand how the definition will look like applied to the condition of the set
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Dec 1 '18 at 8:48
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How to prove that these two sets are convex for certain $p$?
And for what p they will not be convex?
$$A= {(x,y) in Bbb R^2 : |x|^p+|y|^p le 1, p in Bbb R}$$
$$B = {(x,y) in Bbb R^2 : x>0,y>0, x^p+y^p le 1, p in Bbb R}$$
convex-analysis convex-optimization
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How to prove that these two sets are convex for certain $p$?
And for what p they will not be convex?
$$A= {(x,y) in Bbb R^2 : |x|^p+|y|^p le 1, p in Bbb R}$$
$$B = {(x,y) in Bbb R^2 : x>0,y>0, x^p+y^p le 1, p in Bbb R}$$
convex-analysis convex-optimization
convex-analysis convex-optimization
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In the first case if we assume that $p$ is positive, it is quite obvious, but I can't prove it strictly.
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 8:29
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Can you check the equation again to make sure that is the question without typo or missing information? also, please include your attempt.
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– Siong Thye Goh
Dec 1 '18 at 8:30
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Everything is fine. What's the problem? I understand how these two sets will look for the positive $p$, but what about strict proff? I can't manage with it. The only way to prove it that I know is to show that $forall x,y in A rightarrow {z in A: z=(1-lambda)x+lambda y in A, lambda in [0,1] }$
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 8:34
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Assuming $R$ are the reals, did you try to apply the definition of your last comment? Let x be the point nearer to the origin and show that each point between x and y is also in the disk.
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– Jasper
Dec 1 '18 at 8:45
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I do not understand how the definition will look like applied to the condition of the set
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 8:48
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In the first case if we assume that $p$ is positive, it is quite obvious, but I can't prove it strictly.
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 8:29
1
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Can you check the equation again to make sure that is the question without typo or missing information? also, please include your attempt.
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– Siong Thye Goh
Dec 1 '18 at 8:30
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Everything is fine. What's the problem? I understand how these two sets will look for the positive $p$, but what about strict proff? I can't manage with it. The only way to prove it that I know is to show that $forall x,y in A rightarrow {z in A: z=(1-lambda)x+lambda y in A, lambda in [0,1] }$
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 8:34
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Assuming $R$ are the reals, did you try to apply the definition of your last comment? Let x be the point nearer to the origin and show that each point between x and y is also in the disk.
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– Jasper
Dec 1 '18 at 8:45
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I do not understand how the definition will look like applied to the condition of the set
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 8:48
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In the first case if we assume that $p$ is positive, it is quite obvious, but I can't prove it strictly.
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 8:29
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In the first case if we assume that $p$ is positive, it is quite obvious, but I can't prove it strictly.
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 8:29
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1
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Can you check the equation again to make sure that is the question without typo or missing information? also, please include your attempt.
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– Siong Thye Goh
Dec 1 '18 at 8:30
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Can you check the equation again to make sure that is the question without typo or missing information? also, please include your attempt.
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– Siong Thye Goh
Dec 1 '18 at 8:30
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Everything is fine. What's the problem? I understand how these two sets will look for the positive $p$, but what about strict proff? I can't manage with it. The only way to prove it that I know is to show that $forall x,y in A rightarrow {z in A: z=(1-lambda)x+lambda y in A, lambda in [0,1] }$
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 8:34
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Everything is fine. What's the problem? I understand how these two sets will look for the positive $p$, but what about strict proff? I can't manage with it. The only way to prove it that I know is to show that $forall x,y in A rightarrow {z in A: z=(1-lambda)x+lambda y in A, lambda in [0,1] }$
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 8:34
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Assuming $R$ are the reals, did you try to apply the definition of your last comment? Let x be the point nearer to the origin and show that each point between x and y is also in the disk.
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– Jasper
Dec 1 '18 at 8:45
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Assuming $R$ are the reals, did you try to apply the definition of your last comment? Let x be the point nearer to the origin and show that each point between x and y is also in the disk.
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– Jasper
Dec 1 '18 at 8:45
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I do not understand how the definition will look like applied to the condition of the set
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 8:48
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I do not understand how the definition will look like applied to the condition of the set
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Dec 1 '18 at 8:48
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$forall x,y in A rightarrow {z in A: z=(1-lambda)x+lambda y in A, lambda in [0,1] }$
I do not understand how the definition will look like applied to the condition of the set
Obviously your problem is understanding how the set is defined:
The set does not contain elements $x$ and $y$, but it cointas elements of the form $(x,y)$.
So $(x_1,y_1)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$ are two elements in the set.
You'll have to prove that $(x_3,y_3) = ((1-lambda)x_1+lambda x_2,(1-lambda)y_1+lambda y_2)$ also is an element of the set if $(x_1,y_1)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$ are elements of the set and $0<lambda<1$.
$B = { ... }$
This set could also be written as:
$B={(x,y)inmathbb R:x>0,y>0,(x,y)in A}$
(By the way: Is the notation "$mathbb R$" correct here or should it be "$mathbb R^2$"?)
In the first step you will already have proven that $(x_3,y_3)in A$ if $(x_1,y_1)in A land (x_2,y_2) in A$.
This means you only need to prove that $x_3>0$ and $y_3>0$ if $(x_1,y_1)in B land (x_2,y_2)in B$.
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It is not obvious what shall to do next
Unfortunately I don't know if I have the right answer here, either. I was thinking that your only problem is understanding the definition of the set.
However I would try to do the following:
The points $(0,1)$ and $(1,0)$ are elements of the set $A$. If the set is convex, the point $(frac{1}{2},frac{1}{2})$ is also an element of the set.
This means:
$(frac{1}{2})^p+(frac{1}{2})^pleq 1\
Rightarrow 2(frac{1}{2})^pleq 1\
Rightarrow 2leq 2^p$
This condition is obviously not true for $p<1$ so the set $A$ can only be convex for $pgeq 1$.
Proving this for the set $B$ will be harder because $(0,1)notin B$...
You may argue with the points $(1-2epsilon,2delta)$, $(2delta,1-2epsilon)$ and with limit calculation: If $delta$ and $epsilon$ are small enough...
To prove that $A$ is convex for all $pgeq 1$ I'd first define a modified variant of the set $B$:
$C={(x,y) : xgeq 0, ygeq 0, |x|^p+|y|^pleq 1}={(x,y) : xgeq 0, ygeq 0, x^p+y^pleq 1}$
The following inequations are true for every element in the set:
$x_1^p + y_1^p leq 1\
x_2^p + y_2^p leq 1$
And because $0leqlambdaleq 1$:
$lambda x_1^p + lambda y_1^p leq lambda\
(1-lambda)x_2^p + (1-lambda)y_2^p leq 1-lambda$
$Rightarrow lambda x_1^p + (1-lambda)x_2^p + lambda y_1^p + (1-lambda)y_2^p leq 1$
We can now have a look at the following function:
$f(x)=x^p, xin[0,infty), p>1\
f'(x)=px^{p-1}geq 0\
f''(x)=p(p-1)x^{p-2}geq 0$
When using the properties of convex and concave functions we see that:
$lambda f(x_1)+(1-lambda) f(x_2)geq f(lambda x_1+(1-lambda)x_2)$
(I don't know if you are allowed to use this in some university homework!)
For $f(x)=x$, which means $p=1$, this is also true.
This means:
$lambda x_1^p+(1-lambda) x_2^pgeq (lambda x_1+(1-lambda)x_2)^p$
Or:
$x_3^p+y_3^p = (lambda x_1 + (1-lambda)x_2)^p + (lambda y_1 + (1-lambda)y_2)^p \ leq lambda x_1^p + (1-lambda)x_2^p + lambda y_1^p + (1-lambda)y_2^p leq 1$
Therefore $(x_3,y_3)in C$.
Now we can also define another set:
$D={(x,y) : ygeq 0, |x|^p+|y|^pleq 1}={(x,y) : (x,y) in C lor (-x,y) in C}$
It should be easy to prove that this set is also convex; we have to distinguish three cases:
- $x_1,x_2geq 0 Rightarrow (x_3,y_3)in C Rightarrow (x_3,y_3)in D$
- $x_1,x_2leq 0 Rightarrow (-x_3,y_3)in C Rightarrow (x_3,y_3)in D$
$x_1$ and $x_2$ have different signs:
This case is a bit more difficult; we first have to prove that the set contains an element $(0,y_0)$ "between" the points $(x_1,y_1)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$...
Now the set $A$ can be written as: $A={(x,y):(x,y)in Dlor (x,-y)in D}$.
The steps needed to prove that $A$ is convex when knowing that $D$ is convex are the same steps needed to prove that $D$ is convex when knowing that $C$ is convex.
EDIT 2
I just thought about the cases $pleq 0$:
My proof that $A$ is not convex unfortunately will not work for $pleq 0$; however you can easily show that $A$ cannot be convex for $p<0$ because $(x,y)in A Rightarrow (-x,-y)in A$ but $(0,0)notin A$.
However $B$ seems to be convex for $p<0$!
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So for the first case that means that the following should be right: $|(1-lambda)x_1+lambda x_2|^p+|(1-lambda)y_1+lambda y_2|^p le 1$
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 9:11
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It is not obvious what shall to do next :(
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 9:43
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@Daniil I've made an edit...
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– Martin Rosenau
Dec 1 '18 at 12:29
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Thank you a lot! Amazing!!!
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 14:30
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@Daniil Please see my second edit about the set $B$.
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$forall x,y in A rightarrow {z in A: z=(1-lambda)x+lambda y in A, lambda in [0,1] }$
I do not understand how the definition will look like applied to the condition of the set
Obviously your problem is understanding how the set is defined:
The set does not contain elements $x$ and $y$, but it cointas elements of the form $(x,y)$.
So $(x_1,y_1)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$ are two elements in the set.
You'll have to prove that $(x_3,y_3) = ((1-lambda)x_1+lambda x_2,(1-lambda)y_1+lambda y_2)$ also is an element of the set if $(x_1,y_1)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$ are elements of the set and $0<lambda<1$.
$B = { ... }$
This set could also be written as:
$B={(x,y)inmathbb R:x>0,y>0,(x,y)in A}$
(By the way: Is the notation "$mathbb R$" correct here or should it be "$mathbb R^2$"?)
In the first step you will already have proven that $(x_3,y_3)in A$ if $(x_1,y_1)in A land (x_2,y_2) in A$.
This means you only need to prove that $x_3>0$ and $y_3>0$ if $(x_1,y_1)in B land (x_2,y_2)in B$.
EDIT
It is not obvious what shall to do next
Unfortunately I don't know if I have the right answer here, either. I was thinking that your only problem is understanding the definition of the set.
However I would try to do the following:
The points $(0,1)$ and $(1,0)$ are elements of the set $A$. If the set is convex, the point $(frac{1}{2},frac{1}{2})$ is also an element of the set.
This means:
$(frac{1}{2})^p+(frac{1}{2})^pleq 1\
Rightarrow 2(frac{1}{2})^pleq 1\
Rightarrow 2leq 2^p$
This condition is obviously not true for $p<1$ so the set $A$ can only be convex for $pgeq 1$.
Proving this for the set $B$ will be harder because $(0,1)notin B$...
You may argue with the points $(1-2epsilon,2delta)$, $(2delta,1-2epsilon)$ and with limit calculation: If $delta$ and $epsilon$ are small enough...
To prove that $A$ is convex for all $pgeq 1$ I'd first define a modified variant of the set $B$:
$C={(x,y) : xgeq 0, ygeq 0, |x|^p+|y|^pleq 1}={(x,y) : xgeq 0, ygeq 0, x^p+y^pleq 1}$
The following inequations are true for every element in the set:
$x_1^p + y_1^p leq 1\
x_2^p + y_2^p leq 1$
And because $0leqlambdaleq 1$:
$lambda x_1^p + lambda y_1^p leq lambda\
(1-lambda)x_2^p + (1-lambda)y_2^p leq 1-lambda$
$Rightarrow lambda x_1^p + (1-lambda)x_2^p + lambda y_1^p + (1-lambda)y_2^p leq 1$
We can now have a look at the following function:
$f(x)=x^p, xin[0,infty), p>1\
f'(x)=px^{p-1}geq 0\
f''(x)=p(p-1)x^{p-2}geq 0$
When using the properties of convex and concave functions we see that:
$lambda f(x_1)+(1-lambda) f(x_2)geq f(lambda x_1+(1-lambda)x_2)$
(I don't know if you are allowed to use this in some university homework!)
For $f(x)=x$, which means $p=1$, this is also true.
This means:
$lambda x_1^p+(1-lambda) x_2^pgeq (lambda x_1+(1-lambda)x_2)^p$
Or:
$x_3^p+y_3^p = (lambda x_1 + (1-lambda)x_2)^p + (lambda y_1 + (1-lambda)y_2)^p \ leq lambda x_1^p + (1-lambda)x_2^p + lambda y_1^p + (1-lambda)y_2^p leq 1$
Therefore $(x_3,y_3)in C$.
Now we can also define another set:
$D={(x,y) : ygeq 0, |x|^p+|y|^pleq 1}={(x,y) : (x,y) in C lor (-x,y) in C}$
It should be easy to prove that this set is also convex; we have to distinguish three cases:
- $x_1,x_2geq 0 Rightarrow (x_3,y_3)in C Rightarrow (x_3,y_3)in D$
- $x_1,x_2leq 0 Rightarrow (-x_3,y_3)in C Rightarrow (x_3,y_3)in D$
$x_1$ and $x_2$ have different signs:
This case is a bit more difficult; we first have to prove that the set contains an element $(0,y_0)$ "between" the points $(x_1,y_1)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$...
Now the set $A$ can be written as: $A={(x,y):(x,y)in Dlor (x,-y)in D}$.
The steps needed to prove that $A$ is convex when knowing that $D$ is convex are the same steps needed to prove that $D$ is convex when knowing that $C$ is convex.
EDIT 2
I just thought about the cases $pleq 0$:
My proof that $A$ is not convex unfortunately will not work for $pleq 0$; however you can easily show that $A$ cannot be convex for $p<0$ because $(x,y)in A Rightarrow (-x,-y)in A$ but $(0,0)notin A$.
However $B$ seems to be convex for $p<0$!
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So for the first case that means that the following should be right: $|(1-lambda)x_1+lambda x_2|^p+|(1-lambda)y_1+lambda y_2|^p le 1$
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 9:11
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It is not obvious what shall to do next :(
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 9:43
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@Daniil I've made an edit...
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– Martin Rosenau
Dec 1 '18 at 12:29
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Thank you a lot! Amazing!!!
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 14:30
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@Daniil Please see my second edit about the set $B$.
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– Martin Rosenau
Dec 2 '18 at 18:00
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$forall x,y in A rightarrow {z in A: z=(1-lambda)x+lambda y in A, lambda in [0,1] }$
I do not understand how the definition will look like applied to the condition of the set
Obviously your problem is understanding how the set is defined:
The set does not contain elements $x$ and $y$, but it cointas elements of the form $(x,y)$.
So $(x_1,y_1)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$ are two elements in the set.
You'll have to prove that $(x_3,y_3) = ((1-lambda)x_1+lambda x_2,(1-lambda)y_1+lambda y_2)$ also is an element of the set if $(x_1,y_1)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$ are elements of the set and $0<lambda<1$.
$B = { ... }$
This set could also be written as:
$B={(x,y)inmathbb R:x>0,y>0,(x,y)in A}$
(By the way: Is the notation "$mathbb R$" correct here or should it be "$mathbb R^2$"?)
In the first step you will already have proven that $(x_3,y_3)in A$ if $(x_1,y_1)in A land (x_2,y_2) in A$.
This means you only need to prove that $x_3>0$ and $y_3>0$ if $(x_1,y_1)in B land (x_2,y_2)in B$.
EDIT
It is not obvious what shall to do next
Unfortunately I don't know if I have the right answer here, either. I was thinking that your only problem is understanding the definition of the set.
However I would try to do the following:
The points $(0,1)$ and $(1,0)$ are elements of the set $A$. If the set is convex, the point $(frac{1}{2},frac{1}{2})$ is also an element of the set.
This means:
$(frac{1}{2})^p+(frac{1}{2})^pleq 1\
Rightarrow 2(frac{1}{2})^pleq 1\
Rightarrow 2leq 2^p$
This condition is obviously not true for $p<1$ so the set $A$ can only be convex for $pgeq 1$.
Proving this for the set $B$ will be harder because $(0,1)notin B$...
You may argue with the points $(1-2epsilon,2delta)$, $(2delta,1-2epsilon)$ and with limit calculation: If $delta$ and $epsilon$ are small enough...
To prove that $A$ is convex for all $pgeq 1$ I'd first define a modified variant of the set $B$:
$C={(x,y) : xgeq 0, ygeq 0, |x|^p+|y|^pleq 1}={(x,y) : xgeq 0, ygeq 0, x^p+y^pleq 1}$
The following inequations are true for every element in the set:
$x_1^p + y_1^p leq 1\
x_2^p + y_2^p leq 1$
And because $0leqlambdaleq 1$:
$lambda x_1^p + lambda y_1^p leq lambda\
(1-lambda)x_2^p + (1-lambda)y_2^p leq 1-lambda$
$Rightarrow lambda x_1^p + (1-lambda)x_2^p + lambda y_1^p + (1-lambda)y_2^p leq 1$
We can now have a look at the following function:
$f(x)=x^p, xin[0,infty), p>1\
f'(x)=px^{p-1}geq 0\
f''(x)=p(p-1)x^{p-2}geq 0$
When using the properties of convex and concave functions we see that:
$lambda f(x_1)+(1-lambda) f(x_2)geq f(lambda x_1+(1-lambda)x_2)$
(I don't know if you are allowed to use this in some university homework!)
For $f(x)=x$, which means $p=1$, this is also true.
This means:
$lambda x_1^p+(1-lambda) x_2^pgeq (lambda x_1+(1-lambda)x_2)^p$
Or:
$x_3^p+y_3^p = (lambda x_1 + (1-lambda)x_2)^p + (lambda y_1 + (1-lambda)y_2)^p \ leq lambda x_1^p + (1-lambda)x_2^p + lambda y_1^p + (1-lambda)y_2^p leq 1$
Therefore $(x_3,y_3)in C$.
Now we can also define another set:
$D={(x,y) : ygeq 0, |x|^p+|y|^pleq 1}={(x,y) : (x,y) in C lor (-x,y) in C}$
It should be easy to prove that this set is also convex; we have to distinguish three cases:
- $x_1,x_2geq 0 Rightarrow (x_3,y_3)in C Rightarrow (x_3,y_3)in D$
- $x_1,x_2leq 0 Rightarrow (-x_3,y_3)in C Rightarrow (x_3,y_3)in D$
$x_1$ and $x_2$ have different signs:
This case is a bit more difficult; we first have to prove that the set contains an element $(0,y_0)$ "between" the points $(x_1,y_1)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$...
Now the set $A$ can be written as: $A={(x,y):(x,y)in Dlor (x,-y)in D}$.
The steps needed to prove that $A$ is convex when knowing that $D$ is convex are the same steps needed to prove that $D$ is convex when knowing that $C$ is convex.
EDIT 2
I just thought about the cases $pleq 0$:
My proof that $A$ is not convex unfortunately will not work for $pleq 0$; however you can easily show that $A$ cannot be convex for $p<0$ because $(x,y)in A Rightarrow (-x,-y)in A$ but $(0,0)notin A$.
However $B$ seems to be convex for $p<0$!
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So for the first case that means that the following should be right: $|(1-lambda)x_1+lambda x_2|^p+|(1-lambda)y_1+lambda y_2|^p le 1$
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It is not obvious what shall to do next :(
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@Daniil I've made an edit...
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Thank you a lot! Amazing!!!
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 14:30
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@Daniil Please see my second edit about the set $B$.
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I do not understand how the definition will look like applied to the condition of the set
Obviously your problem is understanding how the set is defined:
The set does not contain elements $x$ and $y$, but it cointas elements of the form $(x,y)$.
So $(x_1,y_1)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$ are two elements in the set.
You'll have to prove that $(x_3,y_3) = ((1-lambda)x_1+lambda x_2,(1-lambda)y_1+lambda y_2)$ also is an element of the set if $(x_1,y_1)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$ are elements of the set and $0<lambda<1$.
$B = { ... }$
This set could also be written as:
$B={(x,y)inmathbb R:x>0,y>0,(x,y)in A}$
(By the way: Is the notation "$mathbb R$" correct here or should it be "$mathbb R^2$"?)
In the first step you will already have proven that $(x_3,y_3)in A$ if $(x_1,y_1)in A land (x_2,y_2) in A$.
This means you only need to prove that $x_3>0$ and $y_3>0$ if $(x_1,y_1)in B land (x_2,y_2)in B$.
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It is not obvious what shall to do next
Unfortunately I don't know if I have the right answer here, either. I was thinking that your only problem is understanding the definition of the set.
However I would try to do the following:
The points $(0,1)$ and $(1,0)$ are elements of the set $A$. If the set is convex, the point $(frac{1}{2},frac{1}{2})$ is also an element of the set.
This means:
$(frac{1}{2})^p+(frac{1}{2})^pleq 1\
Rightarrow 2(frac{1}{2})^pleq 1\
Rightarrow 2leq 2^p$
This condition is obviously not true for $p<1$ so the set $A$ can only be convex for $pgeq 1$.
Proving this for the set $B$ will be harder because $(0,1)notin B$...
You may argue with the points $(1-2epsilon,2delta)$, $(2delta,1-2epsilon)$ and with limit calculation: If $delta$ and $epsilon$ are small enough...
To prove that $A$ is convex for all $pgeq 1$ I'd first define a modified variant of the set $B$:
$C={(x,y) : xgeq 0, ygeq 0, |x|^p+|y|^pleq 1}={(x,y) : xgeq 0, ygeq 0, x^p+y^pleq 1}$
The following inequations are true for every element in the set:
$x_1^p + y_1^p leq 1\
x_2^p + y_2^p leq 1$
And because $0leqlambdaleq 1$:
$lambda x_1^p + lambda y_1^p leq lambda\
(1-lambda)x_2^p + (1-lambda)y_2^p leq 1-lambda$
$Rightarrow lambda x_1^p + (1-lambda)x_2^p + lambda y_1^p + (1-lambda)y_2^p leq 1$
We can now have a look at the following function:
$f(x)=x^p, xin[0,infty), p>1\
f'(x)=px^{p-1}geq 0\
f''(x)=p(p-1)x^{p-2}geq 0$
When using the properties of convex and concave functions we see that:
$lambda f(x_1)+(1-lambda) f(x_2)geq f(lambda x_1+(1-lambda)x_2)$
(I don't know if you are allowed to use this in some university homework!)
For $f(x)=x$, which means $p=1$, this is also true.
This means:
$lambda x_1^p+(1-lambda) x_2^pgeq (lambda x_1+(1-lambda)x_2)^p$
Or:
$x_3^p+y_3^p = (lambda x_1 + (1-lambda)x_2)^p + (lambda y_1 + (1-lambda)y_2)^p \ leq lambda x_1^p + (1-lambda)x_2^p + lambda y_1^p + (1-lambda)y_2^p leq 1$
Therefore $(x_3,y_3)in C$.
Now we can also define another set:
$D={(x,y) : ygeq 0, |x|^p+|y|^pleq 1}={(x,y) : (x,y) in C lor (-x,y) in C}$
It should be easy to prove that this set is also convex; we have to distinguish three cases:
- $x_1,x_2geq 0 Rightarrow (x_3,y_3)in C Rightarrow (x_3,y_3)in D$
- $x_1,x_2leq 0 Rightarrow (-x_3,y_3)in C Rightarrow (x_3,y_3)in D$
$x_1$ and $x_2$ have different signs:
This case is a bit more difficult; we first have to prove that the set contains an element $(0,y_0)$ "between" the points $(x_1,y_1)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$...
Now the set $A$ can be written as: $A={(x,y):(x,y)in Dlor (x,-y)in D}$.
The steps needed to prove that $A$ is convex when knowing that $D$ is convex are the same steps needed to prove that $D$ is convex when knowing that $C$ is convex.
EDIT 2
I just thought about the cases $pleq 0$:
My proof that $A$ is not convex unfortunately will not work for $pleq 0$; however you can easily show that $A$ cannot be convex for $p<0$ because $(x,y)in A Rightarrow (-x,-y)in A$ but $(0,0)notin A$.
However $B$ seems to be convex for $p<0$!
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$forall x,y in A rightarrow {z in A: z=(1-lambda)x+lambda y in A, lambda in [0,1] }$
I do not understand how the definition will look like applied to the condition of the set
Obviously your problem is understanding how the set is defined:
The set does not contain elements $x$ and $y$, but it cointas elements of the form $(x,y)$.
So $(x_1,y_1)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$ are two elements in the set.
You'll have to prove that $(x_3,y_3) = ((1-lambda)x_1+lambda x_2,(1-lambda)y_1+lambda y_2)$ also is an element of the set if $(x_1,y_1)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$ are elements of the set and $0<lambda<1$.
$B = { ... }$
This set could also be written as:
$B={(x,y)inmathbb R:x>0,y>0,(x,y)in A}$
(By the way: Is the notation "$mathbb R$" correct here or should it be "$mathbb R^2$"?)
In the first step you will already have proven that $(x_3,y_3)in A$ if $(x_1,y_1)in A land (x_2,y_2) in A$.
This means you only need to prove that $x_3>0$ and $y_3>0$ if $(x_1,y_1)in B land (x_2,y_2)in B$.
EDIT
It is not obvious what shall to do next
Unfortunately I don't know if I have the right answer here, either. I was thinking that your only problem is understanding the definition of the set.
However I would try to do the following:
The points $(0,1)$ and $(1,0)$ are elements of the set $A$. If the set is convex, the point $(frac{1}{2},frac{1}{2})$ is also an element of the set.
This means:
$(frac{1}{2})^p+(frac{1}{2})^pleq 1\
Rightarrow 2(frac{1}{2})^pleq 1\
Rightarrow 2leq 2^p$
This condition is obviously not true for $p<1$ so the set $A$ can only be convex for $pgeq 1$.
Proving this for the set $B$ will be harder because $(0,1)notin B$...
You may argue with the points $(1-2epsilon,2delta)$, $(2delta,1-2epsilon)$ and with limit calculation: If $delta$ and $epsilon$ are small enough...
To prove that $A$ is convex for all $pgeq 1$ I'd first define a modified variant of the set $B$:
$C={(x,y) : xgeq 0, ygeq 0, |x|^p+|y|^pleq 1}={(x,y) : xgeq 0, ygeq 0, x^p+y^pleq 1}$
The following inequations are true for every element in the set:
$x_1^p + y_1^p leq 1\
x_2^p + y_2^p leq 1$
And because $0leqlambdaleq 1$:
$lambda x_1^p + lambda y_1^p leq lambda\
(1-lambda)x_2^p + (1-lambda)y_2^p leq 1-lambda$
$Rightarrow lambda x_1^p + (1-lambda)x_2^p + lambda y_1^p + (1-lambda)y_2^p leq 1$
We can now have a look at the following function:
$f(x)=x^p, xin[0,infty), p>1\
f'(x)=px^{p-1}geq 0\
f''(x)=p(p-1)x^{p-2}geq 0$
When using the properties of convex and concave functions we see that:
$lambda f(x_1)+(1-lambda) f(x_2)geq f(lambda x_1+(1-lambda)x_2)$
(I don't know if you are allowed to use this in some university homework!)
For $f(x)=x$, which means $p=1$, this is also true.
This means:
$lambda x_1^p+(1-lambda) x_2^pgeq (lambda x_1+(1-lambda)x_2)^p$
Or:
$x_3^p+y_3^p = (lambda x_1 + (1-lambda)x_2)^p + (lambda y_1 + (1-lambda)y_2)^p \ leq lambda x_1^p + (1-lambda)x_2^p + lambda y_1^p + (1-lambda)y_2^p leq 1$
Therefore $(x_3,y_3)in C$.
Now we can also define another set:
$D={(x,y) : ygeq 0, |x|^p+|y|^pleq 1}={(x,y) : (x,y) in C lor (-x,y) in C}$
It should be easy to prove that this set is also convex; we have to distinguish three cases:
- $x_1,x_2geq 0 Rightarrow (x_3,y_3)in C Rightarrow (x_3,y_3)in D$
- $x_1,x_2leq 0 Rightarrow (-x_3,y_3)in C Rightarrow (x_3,y_3)in D$
$x_1$ and $x_2$ have different signs:
This case is a bit more difficult; we first have to prove that the set contains an element $(0,y_0)$ "between" the points $(x_1,y_1)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$...
Now the set $A$ can be written as: $A={(x,y):(x,y)in Dlor (x,-y)in D}$.
The steps needed to prove that $A$ is convex when knowing that $D$ is convex are the same steps needed to prove that $D$ is convex when knowing that $C$ is convex.
EDIT 2
I just thought about the cases $pleq 0$:
My proof that $A$ is not convex unfortunately will not work for $pleq 0$; however you can easily show that $A$ cannot be convex for $p<0$ because $(x,y)in A Rightarrow (-x,-y)in A$ but $(0,0)notin A$.
However $B$ seems to be convex for $p<0$!
edited Dec 2 '18 at 18:00
answered Dec 1 '18 at 9:03
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So for the first case that means that the following should be right: $|(1-lambda)x_1+lambda x_2|^p+|(1-lambda)y_1+lambda y_2|^p le 1$
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 9:11
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It is not obvious what shall to do next :(
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 9:43
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@Daniil I've made an edit...
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– Martin Rosenau
Dec 1 '18 at 12:29
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Thank you a lot! Amazing!!!
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 14:30
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@Daniil Please see my second edit about the set $B$.
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So for the first case that means that the following should be right: $|(1-lambda)x_1+lambda x_2|^p+|(1-lambda)y_1+lambda y_2|^p le 1$
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 9:11
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It is not obvious what shall to do next :(
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 9:43
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@Daniil I've made an edit...
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– Martin Rosenau
Dec 1 '18 at 12:29
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Thank you a lot! Amazing!!!
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 14:30
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@Daniil Please see my second edit about the set $B$.
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– Martin Rosenau
Dec 2 '18 at 18:00
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So for the first case that means that the following should be right: $|(1-lambda)x_1+lambda x_2|^p+|(1-lambda)y_1+lambda y_2|^p le 1$
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 9:11
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So for the first case that means that the following should be right: $|(1-lambda)x_1+lambda x_2|^p+|(1-lambda)y_1+lambda y_2|^p le 1$
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 9:11
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It is not obvious what shall to do next :(
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 9:43
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It is not obvious what shall to do next :(
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 9:43
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@Daniil I've made an edit...
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– Martin Rosenau
Dec 1 '18 at 12:29
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@Daniil I've made an edit...
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– Martin Rosenau
Dec 1 '18 at 12:29
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Thank you a lot! Amazing!!!
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 14:30
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Thank you a lot! Amazing!!!
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– nutcracker
Dec 1 '18 at 14:30
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@Daniil Please see my second edit about the set $B$.
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– Martin Rosenau
Dec 2 '18 at 18:00
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@Daniil Please see my second edit about the set $B$.
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In the first case if we assume that $p$ is positive, it is quite obvious, but I can't prove it strictly.
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Can you check the equation again to make sure that is the question without typo or missing information? also, please include your attempt.
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– Siong Thye Goh
Dec 1 '18 at 8:30
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Everything is fine. What's the problem? I understand how these two sets will look for the positive $p$, but what about strict proff? I can't manage with it. The only way to prove it that I know is to show that $forall x,y in A rightarrow {z in A: z=(1-lambda)x+lambda y in A, lambda in [0,1] }$
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– nutcracker
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Assuming $R$ are the reals, did you try to apply the definition of your last comment? Let x be the point nearer to the origin and show that each point between x and y is also in the disk.
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– Jasper
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I do not understand how the definition will look like applied to the condition of the set
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