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A question asks me to find the volume of the surface $(x^2+y^2+z^2)^2=x$ this looks like a very difficult triple integral to evaluate using cartesian coordinates, so I though I would describe the set in spherical coordinates.
Doing so I got $p^2=sin(phi)cos(theta)$. But this still seems like a very difficult integral to evaluate. Am I doing something wrong, or am I completely missing something?






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    Are you looking for the volume bounded by the surface, or the surface area? If you are looking for the volume, note that for a fixed value of $x$, $y^2+z^2$ will be a constant, and so you have cross sections which are circles whose radius you can compute.
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    Can you explain how that is?
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A question asks me to find the volume of the surface $(x^2+y^2+z^2)^2=x$ this looks like a very difficult triple integral to evaluate using cartesian coordinates, so I though I would describe the set in spherical coordinates.
Doing so I got $p^2=sin(phi)cos(theta)$. But this still seems like a very difficult integral to evaluate. Am I doing something wrong, or am I completely missing something?






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    Are you looking for the volume bounded by the surface, or the surface area? If you are looking for the volume, note that for a fixed value of $x$, $y^2+z^2$ will be a constant, and so you have cross sections which are circles whose radius you can compute.
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    Can you explain how that is?
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A question asks me to find the volume of the surface $(x^2+y^2+z^2)^2=x$ this looks like a very difficult triple integral to evaluate using cartesian coordinates, so I though I would describe the set in spherical coordinates.
Doing so I got $p^2=sin(phi)cos(theta)$. But this still seems like a very difficult integral to evaluate. Am I doing something wrong, or am I completely missing something?






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A question asks me to find the volume of the surface $(x^2+y^2+z^2)^2=x$ this looks like a very difficult triple integral to evaluate using cartesian coordinates, so I though I would describe the set in spherical coordinates.
Doing so I got $p^2=sin(phi)cos(theta)$. But this still seems like a very difficult integral to evaluate. Am I doing something wrong, or am I completely missing something?






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    Are you looking for the volume bounded by the surface, or the surface area? If you are looking for the volume, note that for a fixed value of $x$, $y^2+z^2$ will be a constant, and so you have cross sections which are circles whose radius you can compute.
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    Can you explain how that is?
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  • $begingroup$
    Are you looking for the volume bounded by the surface, or the surface area? If you are looking for the volume, note that for a fixed value of $x$, $y^2+z^2$ will be a constant, and so you have cross sections which are circles whose radius you can compute.
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    – Aaron
    Dec 11 '18 at 1:48












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    Can you explain how that is?
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$begingroup$
Are you looking for the volume bounded by the surface, or the surface area? If you are looking for the volume, note that for a fixed value of $x$, $y^2+z^2$ will be a constant, and so you have cross sections which are circles whose radius you can compute.
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$begingroup$
Are you looking for the volume bounded by the surface, or the surface area? If you are looking for the volume, note that for a fixed value of $x$, $y^2+z^2$ will be a constant, and so you have cross sections which are circles whose radius you can compute.
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Can you explain how that is?
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You can use polar coordinates to evaluate the integral. However, you should swap
the roles of $x,y,z$ directions to simplify the expressions.



In polar coordinates $(r,theta,phi) mapsto ( rcostheta, rsinthetacosphi, rsinthetasinphi)$ where $r ge 0$, $theta in [0,pi]$ and $phi in [0,2pi)$. The surface becomes
$$(x^2+y^2+z^2)^2 = x iff r^4 = rcostheta$$
Since $r ge 0$, the relevant range of $theta$ is $[0,pi/2]$ where $costheta ge 0$.
The volume we seek becomes



$$int_0^{2pi} int_0^{pi/2} left(int_0^{sqrt[3]{costheta}} r^2 drright) sintheta dtheta dphi
=int_0^{2pi}int_0^{pi/2} left[ frac13 r^3 right]_{r=0}^{sqrt[3]{costheta}} sintheta dtheta dphi\
= frac{2pi}{3}int_0^{pi/2} costhetasintheta dtheta
= frac{pi}{3}
$$






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    For every x, you have a constant $y^2+z^2$. That means for every x we can make a cross section which looks like a circle on a plane parallel to the yz-plane, centered at that x value on the x axis with radius r such that $r^2=y^2+z^2$. If we take the square root in your expression, we get
    $$r^2=sqrt x - x^2$$
    There’s no need for a plus or minus because everything is squared and therefore positive.
    Using the classic volume of a solid of revolution technique, we get
    $$pi int_0^1 r^2 dx = int_0^1 sqrt x - x^2 dx$$
    (We know bound is $x=1$ because for $x>1$, the left hand side is necessarily larger than the right hand side, because the left consists of $x^4+$non negative terms, while the right hand side is just $x$)






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      Try $int_0^1 pi r(x)^2,dx$ where $r(x)$ is obtained from @Aaron's hint.






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        You can use polar coordinates to evaluate the integral. However, you should swap
        the roles of $x,y,z$ directions to simplify the expressions.



        In polar coordinates $(r,theta,phi) mapsto ( rcostheta, rsinthetacosphi, rsinthetasinphi)$ where $r ge 0$, $theta in [0,pi]$ and $phi in [0,2pi)$. The surface becomes
        $$(x^2+y^2+z^2)^2 = x iff r^4 = rcostheta$$
        Since $r ge 0$, the relevant range of $theta$ is $[0,pi/2]$ where $costheta ge 0$.
        The volume we seek becomes



        $$int_0^{2pi} int_0^{pi/2} left(int_0^{sqrt[3]{costheta}} r^2 drright) sintheta dtheta dphi
        =int_0^{2pi}int_0^{pi/2} left[ frac13 r^3 right]_{r=0}^{sqrt[3]{costheta}} sintheta dtheta dphi\
        = frac{2pi}{3}int_0^{pi/2} costhetasintheta dtheta
        = frac{pi}{3}
        $$






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          $begingroup$

          You can use polar coordinates to evaluate the integral. However, you should swap
          the roles of $x,y,z$ directions to simplify the expressions.



          In polar coordinates $(r,theta,phi) mapsto ( rcostheta, rsinthetacosphi, rsinthetasinphi)$ where $r ge 0$, $theta in [0,pi]$ and $phi in [0,2pi)$. The surface becomes
          $$(x^2+y^2+z^2)^2 = x iff r^4 = rcostheta$$
          Since $r ge 0$, the relevant range of $theta$ is $[0,pi/2]$ where $costheta ge 0$.
          The volume we seek becomes



          $$int_0^{2pi} int_0^{pi/2} left(int_0^{sqrt[3]{costheta}} r^2 drright) sintheta dtheta dphi
          =int_0^{2pi}int_0^{pi/2} left[ frac13 r^3 right]_{r=0}^{sqrt[3]{costheta}} sintheta dtheta dphi\
          = frac{2pi}{3}int_0^{pi/2} costhetasintheta dtheta
          = frac{pi}{3}
          $$






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            $begingroup$

            You can use polar coordinates to evaluate the integral. However, you should swap
            the roles of $x,y,z$ directions to simplify the expressions.



            In polar coordinates $(r,theta,phi) mapsto ( rcostheta, rsinthetacosphi, rsinthetasinphi)$ where $r ge 0$, $theta in [0,pi]$ and $phi in [0,2pi)$. The surface becomes
            $$(x^2+y^2+z^2)^2 = x iff r^4 = rcostheta$$
            Since $r ge 0$, the relevant range of $theta$ is $[0,pi/2]$ where $costheta ge 0$.
            The volume we seek becomes



            $$int_0^{2pi} int_0^{pi/2} left(int_0^{sqrt[3]{costheta}} r^2 drright) sintheta dtheta dphi
            =int_0^{2pi}int_0^{pi/2} left[ frac13 r^3 right]_{r=0}^{sqrt[3]{costheta}} sintheta dtheta dphi\
            = frac{2pi}{3}int_0^{pi/2} costhetasintheta dtheta
            = frac{pi}{3}
            $$






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            You can use polar coordinates to evaluate the integral. However, you should swap
            the roles of $x,y,z$ directions to simplify the expressions.



            In polar coordinates $(r,theta,phi) mapsto ( rcostheta, rsinthetacosphi, rsinthetasinphi)$ where $r ge 0$, $theta in [0,pi]$ and $phi in [0,2pi)$. The surface becomes
            $$(x^2+y^2+z^2)^2 = x iff r^4 = rcostheta$$
            Since $r ge 0$, the relevant range of $theta$ is $[0,pi/2]$ where $costheta ge 0$.
            The volume we seek becomes



            $$int_0^{2pi} int_0^{pi/2} left(int_0^{sqrt[3]{costheta}} r^2 drright) sintheta dtheta dphi
            =int_0^{2pi}int_0^{pi/2} left[ frac13 r^3 right]_{r=0}^{sqrt[3]{costheta}} sintheta dtheta dphi\
            = frac{2pi}{3}int_0^{pi/2} costhetasintheta dtheta
            = frac{pi}{3}
            $$







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                For every x, you have a constant $y^2+z^2$. That means for every x we can make a cross section which looks like a circle on a plane parallel to the yz-plane, centered at that x value on the x axis with radius r such that $r^2=y^2+z^2$. If we take the square root in your expression, we get
                $$r^2=sqrt x - x^2$$
                There’s no need for a plus or minus because everything is squared and therefore positive.
                Using the classic volume of a solid of revolution technique, we get
                $$pi int_0^1 r^2 dx = int_0^1 sqrt x - x^2 dx$$
                (We know bound is $x=1$ because for $x>1$, the left hand side is necessarily larger than the right hand side, because the left consists of $x^4+$non negative terms, while the right hand side is just $x$)






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                  For every x, you have a constant $y^2+z^2$. That means for every x we can make a cross section which looks like a circle on a plane parallel to the yz-plane, centered at that x value on the x axis with radius r such that $r^2=y^2+z^2$. If we take the square root in your expression, we get
                  $$r^2=sqrt x - x^2$$
                  There’s no need for a plus or minus because everything is squared and therefore positive.
                  Using the classic volume of a solid of revolution technique, we get
                  $$pi int_0^1 r^2 dx = int_0^1 sqrt x - x^2 dx$$
                  (We know bound is $x=1$ because for $x>1$, the left hand side is necessarily larger than the right hand side, because the left consists of $x^4+$non negative terms, while the right hand side is just $x$)






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                    For every x, you have a constant $y^2+z^2$. That means for every x we can make a cross section which looks like a circle on a plane parallel to the yz-plane, centered at that x value on the x axis with radius r such that $r^2=y^2+z^2$. If we take the square root in your expression, we get
                    $$r^2=sqrt x - x^2$$
                    There’s no need for a plus or minus because everything is squared and therefore positive.
                    Using the classic volume of a solid of revolution technique, we get
                    $$pi int_0^1 r^2 dx = int_0^1 sqrt x - x^2 dx$$
                    (We know bound is $x=1$ because for $x>1$, the left hand side is necessarily larger than the right hand side, because the left consists of $x^4+$non negative terms, while the right hand side is just $x$)






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                    For every x, you have a constant $y^2+z^2$. That means for every x we can make a cross section which looks like a circle on a plane parallel to the yz-plane, centered at that x value on the x axis with radius r such that $r^2=y^2+z^2$. If we take the square root in your expression, we get
                    $$r^2=sqrt x - x^2$$
                    There’s no need for a plus or minus because everything is squared and therefore positive.
                    Using the classic volume of a solid of revolution technique, we get
                    $$pi int_0^1 r^2 dx = int_0^1 sqrt x - x^2 dx$$
                    (We know bound is $x=1$ because for $x>1$, the left hand side is necessarily larger than the right hand side, because the left consists of $x^4+$non negative terms, while the right hand side is just $x$)







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                        Try $int_0^1 pi r(x)^2,dx$ where $r(x)$ is obtained from @Aaron's hint.






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