Can't Shudras read the Bhagavad Gita?
It is well known that Vedanta Sutras prohibit Shudras from Jnana by saying Smritis prohibit them from having Upanayana. But Bhagavad Gita is a book which contains Vedantic statements. As Vedanta Sutras prohibit Shudras from acquiring Vedanta knowledge, can't they read the Bhagavad Gita?
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It is well known that Vedanta Sutras prohibit Shudras from Jnana by saying Smritis prohibit them from having Upanayana. But Bhagavad Gita is a book which contains Vedantic statements. As Vedanta Sutras prohibit Shudras from acquiring Vedanta knowledge, can't they read the Bhagavad Gita?
bhagavad-gita vedanta caste-system shudra
Bhagavad Gita is basically the summary of the 4 Vedas along with being the glory of Krishna. So I think they can not
– Gabriel Alexander Gonzalez Agu
Dec 15 '18 at 4:54
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Mahabharata can be read by anyone. Bhagavad Gita is a part of Mahabharata and hence it is open for all.
– hanugm
Dec 15 '18 at 4:56
Bhagavad Gita is a knowledge for all to realize their spiritual nature. No classification or restriction is there for Bhagavad Gita!
– Akshay S
Dec 15 '18 at 5:38
Akshay already answered.
– Love Sharma
Dec 15 '18 at 6:33
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It is well known that Vedanta Sutras prohibit Shudras from Jnana by saying Smritis prohibit them from having Upanayana. But Bhagavad Gita is a book which contains Vedantic statements. As Vedanta Sutras prohibit Shudras from acquiring Vedanta knowledge, can't they read the Bhagavad Gita?
bhagavad-gita vedanta caste-system shudra
It is well known that Vedanta Sutras prohibit Shudras from Jnana by saying Smritis prohibit them from having Upanayana. But Bhagavad Gita is a book which contains Vedantic statements. As Vedanta Sutras prohibit Shudras from acquiring Vedanta knowledge, can't they read the Bhagavad Gita?
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bhagavad-gita vedanta caste-system shudra
asked Dec 15 '18 at 4:47
Naveen KickNaveen Kick
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Bhagavad Gita is basically the summary of the 4 Vedas along with being the glory of Krishna. So I think they can not
– Gabriel Alexander Gonzalez Agu
Dec 15 '18 at 4:54
1
Mahabharata can be read by anyone. Bhagavad Gita is a part of Mahabharata and hence it is open for all.
– hanugm
Dec 15 '18 at 4:56
Bhagavad Gita is a knowledge for all to realize their spiritual nature. No classification or restriction is there for Bhagavad Gita!
– Akshay S
Dec 15 '18 at 5:38
Akshay already answered.
– Love Sharma
Dec 15 '18 at 6:33
add a comment |
Bhagavad Gita is basically the summary of the 4 Vedas along with being the glory of Krishna. So I think they can not
– Gabriel Alexander Gonzalez Agu
Dec 15 '18 at 4:54
1
Mahabharata can be read by anyone. Bhagavad Gita is a part of Mahabharata and hence it is open for all.
– hanugm
Dec 15 '18 at 4:56
Bhagavad Gita is a knowledge for all to realize their spiritual nature. No classification or restriction is there for Bhagavad Gita!
– Akshay S
Dec 15 '18 at 5:38
Akshay already answered.
– Love Sharma
Dec 15 '18 at 6:33
Bhagavad Gita is basically the summary of the 4 Vedas along with being the glory of Krishna. So I think they can not
– Gabriel Alexander Gonzalez Agu
Dec 15 '18 at 4:54
Bhagavad Gita is basically the summary of the 4 Vedas along with being the glory of Krishna. So I think they can not
– Gabriel Alexander Gonzalez Agu
Dec 15 '18 at 4:54
1
1
Mahabharata can be read by anyone. Bhagavad Gita is a part of Mahabharata and hence it is open for all.
– hanugm
Dec 15 '18 at 4:56
Mahabharata can be read by anyone. Bhagavad Gita is a part of Mahabharata and hence it is open for all.
– hanugm
Dec 15 '18 at 4:56
Bhagavad Gita is a knowledge for all to realize their spiritual nature. No classification or restriction is there for Bhagavad Gita!
– Akshay S
Dec 15 '18 at 5:38
Bhagavad Gita is a knowledge for all to realize their spiritual nature. No classification or restriction is there for Bhagavad Gita!
– Akshay S
Dec 15 '18 at 5:38
Akshay already answered.
– Love Sharma
Dec 15 '18 at 6:33
Akshay already answered.
– Love Sharma
Dec 15 '18 at 6:33
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There are no specific restrictions for reading and understanding Bhagavad Gita based on castes, differentiation apart from two cases, where Krishna himself emphasizes on to whom this Gita knowledge should not be spoken and to whom this knowledge shall be revealed
BG 18.67: This instruction should never be explained to those who are not austere or to those who are not devoted. It should also not be spoken to those who are averse to listening (to spiritual topics), and especially not to those who are envious of me.
BG 18.68: Those, who teach this most confidential knowledge amongst my devotees, perform the greatest act of love. They will come to me without doubt.
Thus, from these verses, it is clear that, those who teach his Gita knowledge to his devotees, certainly reaches Krishna's abode which he himself declares and also the fact that, Sri Krishna makes it clear that this knowledge should not be explained to non-devotees, and non-believers of supreme because they may become envious of Krishna and misunderstand the teachings of Gita and think Krishna proudly spoke of himself and wanted Arjuna to praise him always as he used many times "I". So real meaning and teachings of Gita wont go into minds of non devotees.
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Then why Vedanta is banned for Shudras? If a Shudra can read the Bhagavad Gita, he can also learn Vedanta, since bhagavad Gita itself a summary of Upanishads.
– Naveen Kick
Dec 15 '18 at 6:36
Where is it written that vedanta is not for shudra? And as per you who is shudras?
– Love Sharma
Dec 15 '18 at 6:54
@NaveenKick Because reading summary and reading the original is not the same. It was condensed into easy form as Bhagavad Gita.
– Sarvabhouma
Dec 15 '18 at 8:04
@Sarvabhouma You are correct
– Naveen Kick
Dec 15 '18 at 15:38
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No, you are misinformed. Read the 35th Sutra, which clearly says he was a Kshatriya.
– Naveen Kick
Dec 17 '18 at 5:14
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If for Mahabharata (of which Gita is a part) it is said that it can be recited by everyone then "Yes" will be the answer. But have a look at the following verses from Vyasa Smriti:
Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, and Vaishyas are called the twice-born. Their
first births take place when they are delivered of their mother's womb
; their second, when they duly accept the Gayatri Mantra from their
preceptors (21).
Thus made twice-born, and free from all other faults, they become entitled to study the Vedas, Smritis and Puranas (22).
According to 22, it's the Vedic initiation that makes one qualified to read even the Smritis and the Puranas. So, we can assume that similar requirements might be there for reading the Itihasas too. Because, Itihasa-Purana are always mentioned in tandem.
Also, note that this is somewhat an indirect approach, as ideally one should see what Mahabharata itself( or Gita) has to say on the topic.
May be the 'sankalpita Gita paatha' is meant for twice borns only. Others can just read or listen to.
– Partha
Jan 18 at 14:46
Yes may be not sure @ParthaBanerjee
– Rickross
Jan 18 at 16:33
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Mahabharata is composed by Vyasadeva so that all classes of people will benefit be it sudras, fallen brahmanas etc.. So they can definitely read Bhagavad Gita which is a part of Mahabharata.
strī-śūdra-dvijabandhūnāṁ trayī na śruti-gocarā karma-śreyasi mūḍhānāṁ
śreya evaṁ bhaved iha iti bhāratam ākhyānaṁ kṛpayā muninā kṛtam
SB 1.4.25: Out of compassion, the great sage thought it wise that
this would enable men to achieve the ultimate goal of life. Thus he
compiled the great historical narration called the Mahabharata for
women, laborers and friends of the twice-born.
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There are no specific restrictions for reading and understanding Bhagavad Gita based on castes, differentiation apart from two cases, where Krishna himself emphasizes on to whom this Gita knowledge should not be spoken and to whom this knowledge shall be revealed
BG 18.67: This instruction should never be explained to those who are not austere or to those who are not devoted. It should also not be spoken to those who are averse to listening (to spiritual topics), and especially not to those who are envious of me.
BG 18.68: Those, who teach this most confidential knowledge amongst my devotees, perform the greatest act of love. They will come to me without doubt.
Thus, from these verses, it is clear that, those who teach his Gita knowledge to his devotees, certainly reaches Krishna's abode which he himself declares and also the fact that, Sri Krishna makes it clear that this knowledge should not be explained to non-devotees, and non-believers of supreme because they may become envious of Krishna and misunderstand the teachings of Gita and think Krishna proudly spoke of himself and wanted Arjuna to praise him always as he used many times "I". So real meaning and teachings of Gita wont go into minds of non devotees.
3
Then why Vedanta is banned for Shudras? If a Shudra can read the Bhagavad Gita, he can also learn Vedanta, since bhagavad Gita itself a summary of Upanishads.
– Naveen Kick
Dec 15 '18 at 6:36
Where is it written that vedanta is not for shudra? And as per you who is shudras?
– Love Sharma
Dec 15 '18 at 6:54
@NaveenKick Because reading summary and reading the original is not the same. It was condensed into easy form as Bhagavad Gita.
– Sarvabhouma
Dec 15 '18 at 8:04
@Sarvabhouma You are correct
– Naveen Kick
Dec 15 '18 at 15:38
1
No, you are misinformed. Read the 35th Sutra, which clearly says he was a Kshatriya.
– Naveen Kick
Dec 17 '18 at 5:14
|
show 3 more comments
There are no specific restrictions for reading and understanding Bhagavad Gita based on castes, differentiation apart from two cases, where Krishna himself emphasizes on to whom this Gita knowledge should not be spoken and to whom this knowledge shall be revealed
BG 18.67: This instruction should never be explained to those who are not austere or to those who are not devoted. It should also not be spoken to those who are averse to listening (to spiritual topics), and especially not to those who are envious of me.
BG 18.68: Those, who teach this most confidential knowledge amongst my devotees, perform the greatest act of love. They will come to me without doubt.
Thus, from these verses, it is clear that, those who teach his Gita knowledge to his devotees, certainly reaches Krishna's abode which he himself declares and also the fact that, Sri Krishna makes it clear that this knowledge should not be explained to non-devotees, and non-believers of supreme because they may become envious of Krishna and misunderstand the teachings of Gita and think Krishna proudly spoke of himself and wanted Arjuna to praise him always as he used many times "I". So real meaning and teachings of Gita wont go into minds of non devotees.
3
Then why Vedanta is banned for Shudras? If a Shudra can read the Bhagavad Gita, he can also learn Vedanta, since bhagavad Gita itself a summary of Upanishads.
– Naveen Kick
Dec 15 '18 at 6:36
Where is it written that vedanta is not for shudra? And as per you who is shudras?
– Love Sharma
Dec 15 '18 at 6:54
@NaveenKick Because reading summary and reading the original is not the same. It was condensed into easy form as Bhagavad Gita.
– Sarvabhouma
Dec 15 '18 at 8:04
@Sarvabhouma You are correct
– Naveen Kick
Dec 15 '18 at 15:38
1
No, you are misinformed. Read the 35th Sutra, which clearly says he was a Kshatriya.
– Naveen Kick
Dec 17 '18 at 5:14
|
show 3 more comments
There are no specific restrictions for reading and understanding Bhagavad Gita based on castes, differentiation apart from two cases, where Krishna himself emphasizes on to whom this Gita knowledge should not be spoken and to whom this knowledge shall be revealed
BG 18.67: This instruction should never be explained to those who are not austere or to those who are not devoted. It should also not be spoken to those who are averse to listening (to spiritual topics), and especially not to those who are envious of me.
BG 18.68: Those, who teach this most confidential knowledge amongst my devotees, perform the greatest act of love. They will come to me without doubt.
Thus, from these verses, it is clear that, those who teach his Gita knowledge to his devotees, certainly reaches Krishna's abode which he himself declares and also the fact that, Sri Krishna makes it clear that this knowledge should not be explained to non-devotees, and non-believers of supreme because they may become envious of Krishna and misunderstand the teachings of Gita and think Krishna proudly spoke of himself and wanted Arjuna to praise him always as he used many times "I". So real meaning and teachings of Gita wont go into minds of non devotees.
There are no specific restrictions for reading and understanding Bhagavad Gita based on castes, differentiation apart from two cases, where Krishna himself emphasizes on to whom this Gita knowledge should not be spoken and to whom this knowledge shall be revealed
BG 18.67: This instruction should never be explained to those who are not austere or to those who are not devoted. It should also not be spoken to those who are averse to listening (to spiritual topics), and especially not to those who are envious of me.
BG 18.68: Those, who teach this most confidential knowledge amongst my devotees, perform the greatest act of love. They will come to me without doubt.
Thus, from these verses, it is clear that, those who teach his Gita knowledge to his devotees, certainly reaches Krishna's abode which he himself declares and also the fact that, Sri Krishna makes it clear that this knowledge should not be explained to non-devotees, and non-believers of supreme because they may become envious of Krishna and misunderstand the teachings of Gita and think Krishna proudly spoke of himself and wanted Arjuna to praise him always as he used many times "I". So real meaning and teachings of Gita wont go into minds of non devotees.
answered Dec 15 '18 at 6:03
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Then why Vedanta is banned for Shudras? If a Shudra can read the Bhagavad Gita, he can also learn Vedanta, since bhagavad Gita itself a summary of Upanishads.
– Naveen Kick
Dec 15 '18 at 6:36
Where is it written that vedanta is not for shudra? And as per you who is shudras?
– Love Sharma
Dec 15 '18 at 6:54
@NaveenKick Because reading summary and reading the original is not the same. It was condensed into easy form as Bhagavad Gita.
– Sarvabhouma
Dec 15 '18 at 8:04
@Sarvabhouma You are correct
– Naveen Kick
Dec 15 '18 at 15:38
1
No, you are misinformed. Read the 35th Sutra, which clearly says he was a Kshatriya.
– Naveen Kick
Dec 17 '18 at 5:14
|
show 3 more comments
3
Then why Vedanta is banned for Shudras? If a Shudra can read the Bhagavad Gita, he can also learn Vedanta, since bhagavad Gita itself a summary of Upanishads.
– Naveen Kick
Dec 15 '18 at 6:36
Where is it written that vedanta is not for shudra? And as per you who is shudras?
– Love Sharma
Dec 15 '18 at 6:54
@NaveenKick Because reading summary and reading the original is not the same. It was condensed into easy form as Bhagavad Gita.
– Sarvabhouma
Dec 15 '18 at 8:04
@Sarvabhouma You are correct
– Naveen Kick
Dec 15 '18 at 15:38
1
No, you are misinformed. Read the 35th Sutra, which clearly says he was a Kshatriya.
– Naveen Kick
Dec 17 '18 at 5:14
3
3
Then why Vedanta is banned for Shudras? If a Shudra can read the Bhagavad Gita, he can also learn Vedanta, since bhagavad Gita itself a summary of Upanishads.
– Naveen Kick
Dec 15 '18 at 6:36
Then why Vedanta is banned for Shudras? If a Shudra can read the Bhagavad Gita, he can also learn Vedanta, since bhagavad Gita itself a summary of Upanishads.
– Naveen Kick
Dec 15 '18 at 6:36
Where is it written that vedanta is not for shudra? And as per you who is shudras?
– Love Sharma
Dec 15 '18 at 6:54
Where is it written that vedanta is not for shudra? And as per you who is shudras?
– Love Sharma
Dec 15 '18 at 6:54
@NaveenKick Because reading summary and reading the original is not the same. It was condensed into easy form as Bhagavad Gita.
– Sarvabhouma
Dec 15 '18 at 8:04
@NaveenKick Because reading summary and reading the original is not the same. It was condensed into easy form as Bhagavad Gita.
– Sarvabhouma
Dec 15 '18 at 8:04
@Sarvabhouma You are correct
– Naveen Kick
Dec 15 '18 at 15:38
@Sarvabhouma You are correct
– Naveen Kick
Dec 15 '18 at 15:38
1
1
No, you are misinformed. Read the 35th Sutra, which clearly says he was a Kshatriya.
– Naveen Kick
Dec 17 '18 at 5:14
No, you are misinformed. Read the 35th Sutra, which clearly says he was a Kshatriya.
– Naveen Kick
Dec 17 '18 at 5:14
|
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If for Mahabharata (of which Gita is a part) it is said that it can be recited by everyone then "Yes" will be the answer. But have a look at the following verses from Vyasa Smriti:
Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, and Vaishyas are called the twice-born. Their
first births take place when they are delivered of their mother's womb
; their second, when they duly accept the Gayatri Mantra from their
preceptors (21).
Thus made twice-born, and free from all other faults, they become entitled to study the Vedas, Smritis and Puranas (22).
According to 22, it's the Vedic initiation that makes one qualified to read even the Smritis and the Puranas. So, we can assume that similar requirements might be there for reading the Itihasas too. Because, Itihasa-Purana are always mentioned in tandem.
Also, note that this is somewhat an indirect approach, as ideally one should see what Mahabharata itself( or Gita) has to say on the topic.
May be the 'sankalpita Gita paatha' is meant for twice borns only. Others can just read or listen to.
– Partha
Jan 18 at 14:46
Yes may be not sure @ParthaBanerjee
– Rickross
Jan 18 at 16:33
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If for Mahabharata (of which Gita is a part) it is said that it can be recited by everyone then "Yes" will be the answer. But have a look at the following verses from Vyasa Smriti:
Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, and Vaishyas are called the twice-born. Their
first births take place when they are delivered of their mother's womb
; their second, when they duly accept the Gayatri Mantra from their
preceptors (21).
Thus made twice-born, and free from all other faults, they become entitled to study the Vedas, Smritis and Puranas (22).
According to 22, it's the Vedic initiation that makes one qualified to read even the Smritis and the Puranas. So, we can assume that similar requirements might be there for reading the Itihasas too. Because, Itihasa-Purana are always mentioned in tandem.
Also, note that this is somewhat an indirect approach, as ideally one should see what Mahabharata itself( or Gita) has to say on the topic.
May be the 'sankalpita Gita paatha' is meant for twice borns only. Others can just read or listen to.
– Partha
Jan 18 at 14:46
Yes may be not sure @ParthaBanerjee
– Rickross
Jan 18 at 16:33
add a comment |
If for Mahabharata (of which Gita is a part) it is said that it can be recited by everyone then "Yes" will be the answer. But have a look at the following verses from Vyasa Smriti:
Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, and Vaishyas are called the twice-born. Their
first births take place when they are delivered of their mother's womb
; their second, when they duly accept the Gayatri Mantra from their
preceptors (21).
Thus made twice-born, and free from all other faults, they become entitled to study the Vedas, Smritis and Puranas (22).
According to 22, it's the Vedic initiation that makes one qualified to read even the Smritis and the Puranas. So, we can assume that similar requirements might be there for reading the Itihasas too. Because, Itihasa-Purana are always mentioned in tandem.
Also, note that this is somewhat an indirect approach, as ideally one should see what Mahabharata itself( or Gita) has to say on the topic.
If for Mahabharata (of which Gita is a part) it is said that it can be recited by everyone then "Yes" will be the answer. But have a look at the following verses from Vyasa Smriti:
Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, and Vaishyas are called the twice-born. Their
first births take place when they are delivered of their mother's womb
; their second, when they duly accept the Gayatri Mantra from their
preceptors (21).
Thus made twice-born, and free from all other faults, they become entitled to study the Vedas, Smritis and Puranas (22).
According to 22, it's the Vedic initiation that makes one qualified to read even the Smritis and the Puranas. So, we can assume that similar requirements might be there for reading the Itihasas too. Because, Itihasa-Purana are always mentioned in tandem.
Also, note that this is somewhat an indirect approach, as ideally one should see what Mahabharata itself( or Gita) has to say on the topic.
answered Dec 15 '18 at 6:41
RickrossRickross
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May be the 'sankalpita Gita paatha' is meant for twice borns only. Others can just read or listen to.
– Partha
Jan 18 at 14:46
Yes may be not sure @ParthaBanerjee
– Rickross
Jan 18 at 16:33
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May be the 'sankalpita Gita paatha' is meant for twice borns only. Others can just read or listen to.
– Partha
Jan 18 at 14:46
Yes may be not sure @ParthaBanerjee
– Rickross
Jan 18 at 16:33
May be the 'sankalpita Gita paatha' is meant for twice borns only. Others can just read or listen to.
– Partha
Jan 18 at 14:46
May be the 'sankalpita Gita paatha' is meant for twice borns only. Others can just read or listen to.
– Partha
Jan 18 at 14:46
Yes may be not sure @ParthaBanerjee
– Rickross
Jan 18 at 16:33
Yes may be not sure @ParthaBanerjee
– Rickross
Jan 18 at 16:33
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Mahabharata is composed by Vyasadeva so that all classes of people will benefit be it sudras, fallen brahmanas etc.. So they can definitely read Bhagavad Gita which is a part of Mahabharata.
strī-śūdra-dvijabandhūnāṁ trayī na śruti-gocarā karma-śreyasi mūḍhānāṁ
śreya evaṁ bhaved iha iti bhāratam ākhyānaṁ kṛpayā muninā kṛtam
SB 1.4.25: Out of compassion, the great sage thought it wise that
this would enable men to achieve the ultimate goal of life. Thus he
compiled the great historical narration called the Mahabharata for
women, laborers and friends of the twice-born.
add a comment |
Mahabharata is composed by Vyasadeva so that all classes of people will benefit be it sudras, fallen brahmanas etc.. So they can definitely read Bhagavad Gita which is a part of Mahabharata.
strī-śūdra-dvijabandhūnāṁ trayī na śruti-gocarā karma-śreyasi mūḍhānāṁ
śreya evaṁ bhaved iha iti bhāratam ākhyānaṁ kṛpayā muninā kṛtam
SB 1.4.25: Out of compassion, the great sage thought it wise that
this would enable men to achieve the ultimate goal of life. Thus he
compiled the great historical narration called the Mahabharata for
women, laborers and friends of the twice-born.
add a comment |
Mahabharata is composed by Vyasadeva so that all classes of people will benefit be it sudras, fallen brahmanas etc.. So they can definitely read Bhagavad Gita which is a part of Mahabharata.
strī-śūdra-dvijabandhūnāṁ trayī na śruti-gocarā karma-śreyasi mūḍhānāṁ
śreya evaṁ bhaved iha iti bhāratam ākhyānaṁ kṛpayā muninā kṛtam
SB 1.4.25: Out of compassion, the great sage thought it wise that
this would enable men to achieve the ultimate goal of life. Thus he
compiled the great historical narration called the Mahabharata for
women, laborers and friends of the twice-born.
Mahabharata is composed by Vyasadeva so that all classes of people will benefit be it sudras, fallen brahmanas etc.. So they can definitely read Bhagavad Gita which is a part of Mahabharata.
strī-śūdra-dvijabandhūnāṁ trayī na śruti-gocarā karma-śreyasi mūḍhānāṁ
śreya evaṁ bhaved iha iti bhāratam ākhyānaṁ kṛpayā muninā kṛtam
SB 1.4.25: Out of compassion, the great sage thought it wise that
this would enable men to achieve the ultimate goal of life. Thus he
compiled the great historical narration called the Mahabharata for
women, laborers and friends of the twice-born.
answered Dec 15 '18 at 9:36
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Bhagavad Gita is basically the summary of the 4 Vedas along with being the glory of Krishna. So I think they can not
– Gabriel Alexander Gonzalez Agu
Dec 15 '18 at 4:54
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Mahabharata can be read by anyone. Bhagavad Gita is a part of Mahabharata and hence it is open for all.
– hanugm
Dec 15 '18 at 4:56
Bhagavad Gita is a knowledge for all to realize their spiritual nature. No classification or restriction is there for Bhagavad Gita!
– Akshay S
Dec 15 '18 at 5:38
Akshay already answered.
– Love Sharma
Dec 15 '18 at 6:33