For $(z_n)$ complex, $limsuplimits_nn|z_n-1|$ finite iff $limsuplimits_nn|log(z_n)|$ finite
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Show that for $(z_n)_{ninmathbb N}$ in $mathbb C,$ $$limsuplimits_{n}n|z_n-1|<inftyifflimsuplimits_{n}|nlog(z_n)|<infty$$
And further that $$limlimits_{n}n(z_n-1)=limlimits_{n}nlog(z_n)$$ if one of the limits exists.
There is a hint that I should use the logarithmic series $sum_{n=1 } ^{infty } (-frac {1 } {k })^{k-1}(z-1)^k$ about the point $1 $. From which I can derive the inequality $|log(z)-(z-1)|le frac {1 } {2 } |z-1|^2 $for $|z-1|<1$. But here I get stuck.
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Show that for $(z_n)_{ninmathbb N}$ in $mathbb C,$ $$limsuplimits_{n}n|z_n-1|<inftyifflimsuplimits_{n}|nlog(z_n)|<infty$$
And further that $$limlimits_{n}n(z_n-1)=limlimits_{n}nlog(z_n)$$ if one of the limits exists.
There is a hint that I should use the logarithmic series $sum_{n=1 } ^{infty } (-frac {1 } {k })^{k-1}(z-1)^k$ about the point $1 $. From which I can derive the inequality $|log(z)-(z-1)|le frac {1 } {2 } |z-1|^2 $for $|z-1|<1$. But here I get stuck.
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Show that for $(z_n)_{ninmathbb N}$ in $mathbb C,$ $$limsuplimits_{n}n|z_n-1|<inftyifflimsuplimits_{n}|nlog(z_n)|<infty$$
And further that $$limlimits_{n}n(z_n-1)=limlimits_{n}nlog(z_n)$$ if one of the limits exists.
There is a hint that I should use the logarithmic series $sum_{n=1 } ^{infty } (-frac {1 } {k })^{k-1}(z-1)^k$ about the point $1 $. From which I can derive the inequality $|log(z)-(z-1)|le frac {1 } {2 } |z-1|^2 $for $|z-1|<1$. But here I get stuck.
sequences-and-series inequality complex-numbers
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Show that for $(z_n)_{ninmathbb N}$ in $mathbb C,$ $$limsuplimits_{n}n|z_n-1|<inftyifflimsuplimits_{n}|nlog(z_n)|<infty$$
And further that $$limlimits_{n}n(z_n-1)=limlimits_{n}nlog(z_n)$$ if one of the limits exists.
There is a hint that I should use the logarithmic series $sum_{n=1 } ^{infty } (-frac {1 } {k })^{k-1}(z-1)^k$ about the point $1 $. From which I can derive the inequality $|log(z)-(z-1)|le frac {1 } {2 } |z-1|^2 $for $|z-1|<1$. But here I get stuck.
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I will give an answer using a slightly modified form of the hint. Here log denotes the principal branch of logarithm. We have $log (z-1)=(z-1)-frac {(z-1)^{2}} 2+frac {(z-1)^{3}} 2cdots$. Hence $|log(z-1)-(z-1)| leq |z-1|^{2}+ |z-1|^{3}+cdots =frac {|z-1|^{2}} {1-|z-1|}$. Note that if any of the limits in the question exist then $z_n to 1$. Hence, for $n$ sufficiently large we have $|z_n-1|<frac 1 2$. This gives $|log(z-1)-(z-1)| < 2|z_n-1|^{2}$ for such $n$. From this it should be fairly easy to draw the desired conclusions. [If $lim sup n|z_n-1|< infty$ there $|z_n-1|leq C/n$ for some constant $C$so $n|z_n-1|^{2} leq n(frac C n)^{2} to 0$ and this gives $|nlog(z_n)| leq n|z_n-1|+2n|z_n-1|^{2}$, etc].
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What if $limsup n |log(z_n)| < infty $? As you note this leads to that $z_n to o $ which means $n |z_n-1| to n times infty $. How do I get a stronger bound her?
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– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 11:01
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@MrFranzén If $n, log, z_n $ is bounded then $n log ,z_n to 0$ and so $z_n to 1$
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 17 '18 at 11:43
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Yes I'm with you on that but how do $z_n to 1 $ imply $lim sup n|z_n-1| < infty$. As one term decreases but the other increases it does not seem obious that $n|z_n-1| $ converges. How do I show it is bounded?
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– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 15:44
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@MrFranzén Use the main inequality I have derived. Use the fact that $nfrac {|z_n-1|^{2}} {1-|z_n-1|} to 0$ if $|z_n-1| <frac 1 2$.
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Hint. First of all
$$
limsup n|z_n-1|<infty quadLongleftrightarrowquad {n|z_n-1|},,,text{bounded sequence}
$$
and
$$
{n|z_n-1|},,,text{bounded} quadLongleftrightarrowquad |z_n-1|<frac{c}{n}, ,,,text{for some $c>0$}.
$$
Hence, $|z_n-1|<1/2$, for large enough $n$, i.e., $nge n_0$, which means that $logbig(1+(z_n-1)big)$ is expressible as a power seires
$$
log z_n=logbig(1+(z_n-1)big)=(z_n-1)-frac{(z_n-1)^2}{2}+frac{(z_n-1)^3}{3}+cdots
$$
and thus
$$
nlog z_n=n(z_n-1)-frac{n(z_n-1)^2}{2}+frac{n(z_n-1)^3}{3}+cdots
$$
and hence
$$
|nlog z_n-n(z_n-1)|lefrac{n|z_n-1|^2}{2}+frac{n|z_n-1|^3}{3}+cdots
\ =frac{(n|z_n-1|)^2}{2n}+frac{(n|z_n-1|)^3}{3n^2}+cdots \ le
frac{1}{2ncdot 2^2}+frac{1}{3n^2cdot 2^3}+cdots<frac{1}{n}left(frac{1}{2^2}+frac{1}{2^3}+cdotsright)=frac{1}{2n}
$$
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The next to last inequality means $n|z_n-1|le 2^{-1} $, why is this so?
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I will give an answer using a slightly modified form of the hint. Here log denotes the principal branch of logarithm. We have $log (z-1)=(z-1)-frac {(z-1)^{2}} 2+frac {(z-1)^{3}} 2cdots$. Hence $|log(z-1)-(z-1)| leq |z-1|^{2}+ |z-1|^{3}+cdots =frac {|z-1|^{2}} {1-|z-1|}$. Note that if any of the limits in the question exist then $z_n to 1$. Hence, for $n$ sufficiently large we have $|z_n-1|<frac 1 2$. This gives $|log(z-1)-(z-1)| < 2|z_n-1|^{2}$ for such $n$. From this it should be fairly easy to draw the desired conclusions. [If $lim sup n|z_n-1|< infty$ there $|z_n-1|leq C/n$ for some constant $C$so $n|z_n-1|^{2} leq n(frac C n)^{2} to 0$ and this gives $|nlog(z_n)| leq n|z_n-1|+2n|z_n-1|^{2}$, etc].
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What if $limsup n |log(z_n)| < infty $? As you note this leads to that $z_n to o $ which means $n |z_n-1| to n times infty $. How do I get a stronger bound her?
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– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 11:01
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@MrFranzén If $n, log, z_n $ is bounded then $n log ,z_n to 0$ and so $z_n to 1$
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 17 '18 at 11:43
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Yes I'm with you on that but how do $z_n to 1 $ imply $lim sup n|z_n-1| < infty$. As one term decreases but the other increases it does not seem obious that $n|z_n-1| $ converges. How do I show it is bounded?
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– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 15:44
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@MrFranzén Use the main inequality I have derived. Use the fact that $nfrac {|z_n-1|^{2}} {1-|z_n-1|} to 0$ if $|z_n-1| <frac 1 2$.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 17 '18 at 23:10
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I will give an answer using a slightly modified form of the hint. Here log denotes the principal branch of logarithm. We have $log (z-1)=(z-1)-frac {(z-1)^{2}} 2+frac {(z-1)^{3}} 2cdots$. Hence $|log(z-1)-(z-1)| leq |z-1|^{2}+ |z-1|^{3}+cdots =frac {|z-1|^{2}} {1-|z-1|}$. Note that if any of the limits in the question exist then $z_n to 1$. Hence, for $n$ sufficiently large we have $|z_n-1|<frac 1 2$. This gives $|log(z-1)-(z-1)| < 2|z_n-1|^{2}$ for such $n$. From this it should be fairly easy to draw the desired conclusions. [If $lim sup n|z_n-1|< infty$ there $|z_n-1|leq C/n$ for some constant $C$so $n|z_n-1|^{2} leq n(frac C n)^{2} to 0$ and this gives $|nlog(z_n)| leq n|z_n-1|+2n|z_n-1|^{2}$, etc].
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What if $limsup n |log(z_n)| < infty $? As you note this leads to that $z_n to o $ which means $n |z_n-1| to n times infty $. How do I get a stronger bound her?
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– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 11:01
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@MrFranzén If $n, log, z_n $ is bounded then $n log ,z_n to 0$ and so $z_n to 1$
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 17 '18 at 11:43
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Yes I'm with you on that but how do $z_n to 1 $ imply $lim sup n|z_n-1| < infty$. As one term decreases but the other increases it does not seem obious that $n|z_n-1| $ converges. How do I show it is bounded?
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– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 15:44
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@MrFranzén Use the main inequality I have derived. Use the fact that $nfrac {|z_n-1|^{2}} {1-|z_n-1|} to 0$ if $|z_n-1| <frac 1 2$.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 17 '18 at 23:10
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I will give an answer using a slightly modified form of the hint. Here log denotes the principal branch of logarithm. We have $log (z-1)=(z-1)-frac {(z-1)^{2}} 2+frac {(z-1)^{3}} 2cdots$. Hence $|log(z-1)-(z-1)| leq |z-1|^{2}+ |z-1|^{3}+cdots =frac {|z-1|^{2}} {1-|z-1|}$. Note that if any of the limits in the question exist then $z_n to 1$. Hence, for $n$ sufficiently large we have $|z_n-1|<frac 1 2$. This gives $|log(z-1)-(z-1)| < 2|z_n-1|^{2}$ for such $n$. From this it should be fairly easy to draw the desired conclusions. [If $lim sup n|z_n-1|< infty$ there $|z_n-1|leq C/n$ for some constant $C$so $n|z_n-1|^{2} leq n(frac C n)^{2} to 0$ and this gives $|nlog(z_n)| leq n|z_n-1|+2n|z_n-1|^{2}$, etc].
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I will give an answer using a slightly modified form of the hint. Here log denotes the principal branch of logarithm. We have $log (z-1)=(z-1)-frac {(z-1)^{2}} 2+frac {(z-1)^{3}} 2cdots$. Hence $|log(z-1)-(z-1)| leq |z-1|^{2}+ |z-1|^{3}+cdots =frac {|z-1|^{2}} {1-|z-1|}$. Note that if any of the limits in the question exist then $z_n to 1$. Hence, for $n$ sufficiently large we have $|z_n-1|<frac 1 2$. This gives $|log(z-1)-(z-1)| < 2|z_n-1|^{2}$ for such $n$. From this it should be fairly easy to draw the desired conclusions. [If $lim sup n|z_n-1|< infty$ there $|z_n-1|leq C/n$ for some constant $C$so $n|z_n-1|^{2} leq n(frac C n)^{2} to 0$ and this gives $|nlog(z_n)| leq n|z_n-1|+2n|z_n-1|^{2}$, etc].
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What if $limsup n |log(z_n)| < infty $? As you note this leads to that $z_n to o $ which means $n |z_n-1| to n times infty $. How do I get a stronger bound her?
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– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 11:01
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@MrFranzén If $n, log, z_n $ is bounded then $n log ,z_n to 0$ and so $z_n to 1$
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 17 '18 at 11:43
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Yes I'm with you on that but how do $z_n to 1 $ imply $lim sup n|z_n-1| < infty$. As one term decreases but the other increases it does not seem obious that $n|z_n-1| $ converges. How do I show it is bounded?
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– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 15:44
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@MrFranzén Use the main inequality I have derived. Use the fact that $nfrac {|z_n-1|^{2}} {1-|z_n-1|} to 0$ if $|z_n-1| <frac 1 2$.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 17 '18 at 23:10
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What if $limsup n |log(z_n)| < infty $? As you note this leads to that $z_n to o $ which means $n |z_n-1| to n times infty $. How do I get a stronger bound her?
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– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 11:01
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@MrFranzén If $n, log, z_n $ is bounded then $n log ,z_n to 0$ and so $z_n to 1$
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 17 '18 at 11:43
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Yes I'm with you on that but how do $z_n to 1 $ imply $lim sup n|z_n-1| < infty$. As one term decreases but the other increases it does not seem obious that $n|z_n-1| $ converges. How do I show it is bounded?
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– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 15:44
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@MrFranzén Use the main inequality I have derived. Use the fact that $nfrac {|z_n-1|^{2}} {1-|z_n-1|} to 0$ if $|z_n-1| <frac 1 2$.
$endgroup$
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 17 '18 at 23:10
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What if $limsup n |log(z_n)| < infty $? As you note this leads to that $z_n to o $ which means $n |z_n-1| to n times infty $. How do I get a stronger bound her?
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– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 11:01
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What if $limsup n |log(z_n)| < infty $? As you note this leads to that $z_n to o $ which means $n |z_n-1| to n times infty $. How do I get a stronger bound her?
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– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 11:01
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@MrFranzén If $n, log, z_n $ is bounded then $n log ,z_n to 0$ and so $z_n to 1$
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 17 '18 at 11:43
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@MrFranzén If $n, log, z_n $ is bounded then $n log ,z_n to 0$ and so $z_n to 1$
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 17 '18 at 11:43
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Yes I'm with you on that but how do $z_n to 1 $ imply $lim sup n|z_n-1| < infty$. As one term decreases but the other increases it does not seem obious that $n|z_n-1| $ converges. How do I show it is bounded?
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– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 15:44
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Yes I'm with you on that but how do $z_n to 1 $ imply $lim sup n|z_n-1| < infty$. As one term decreases but the other increases it does not seem obious that $n|z_n-1| $ converges. How do I show it is bounded?
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– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 15:44
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@MrFranzén Use the main inequality I have derived. Use the fact that $nfrac {|z_n-1|^{2}} {1-|z_n-1|} to 0$ if $|z_n-1| <frac 1 2$.
$endgroup$
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 17 '18 at 23:10
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@MrFranzén Use the main inequality I have derived. Use the fact that $nfrac {|z_n-1|^{2}} {1-|z_n-1|} to 0$ if $|z_n-1| <frac 1 2$.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 17 '18 at 23:10
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Hint. First of all
$$
limsup n|z_n-1|<infty quadLongleftrightarrowquad {n|z_n-1|},,,text{bounded sequence}
$$
and
$$
{n|z_n-1|},,,text{bounded} quadLongleftrightarrowquad |z_n-1|<frac{c}{n}, ,,,text{for some $c>0$}.
$$
Hence, $|z_n-1|<1/2$, for large enough $n$, i.e., $nge n_0$, which means that $logbig(1+(z_n-1)big)$ is expressible as a power seires
$$
log z_n=logbig(1+(z_n-1)big)=(z_n-1)-frac{(z_n-1)^2}{2}+frac{(z_n-1)^3}{3}+cdots
$$
and thus
$$
nlog z_n=n(z_n-1)-frac{n(z_n-1)^2}{2}+frac{n(z_n-1)^3}{3}+cdots
$$
and hence
$$
|nlog z_n-n(z_n-1)|lefrac{n|z_n-1|^2}{2}+frac{n|z_n-1|^3}{3}+cdots
\ =frac{(n|z_n-1|)^2}{2n}+frac{(n|z_n-1|)^3}{3n^2}+cdots \ le
frac{1}{2ncdot 2^2}+frac{1}{3n^2cdot 2^3}+cdots<frac{1}{n}left(frac{1}{2^2}+frac{1}{2^3}+cdotsright)=frac{1}{2n}
$$
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The next to last inequality means $n|z_n-1|le 2^{-1} $, why is this so?
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– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 10:13
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Hint. First of all
$$
limsup n|z_n-1|<infty quadLongleftrightarrowquad {n|z_n-1|},,,text{bounded sequence}
$$
and
$$
{n|z_n-1|},,,text{bounded} quadLongleftrightarrowquad |z_n-1|<frac{c}{n}, ,,,text{for some $c>0$}.
$$
Hence, $|z_n-1|<1/2$, for large enough $n$, i.e., $nge n_0$, which means that $logbig(1+(z_n-1)big)$ is expressible as a power seires
$$
log z_n=logbig(1+(z_n-1)big)=(z_n-1)-frac{(z_n-1)^2}{2}+frac{(z_n-1)^3}{3}+cdots
$$
and thus
$$
nlog z_n=n(z_n-1)-frac{n(z_n-1)^2}{2}+frac{n(z_n-1)^3}{3}+cdots
$$
and hence
$$
|nlog z_n-n(z_n-1)|lefrac{n|z_n-1|^2}{2}+frac{n|z_n-1|^3}{3}+cdots
\ =frac{(n|z_n-1|)^2}{2n}+frac{(n|z_n-1|)^3}{3n^2}+cdots \ le
frac{1}{2ncdot 2^2}+frac{1}{3n^2cdot 2^3}+cdots<frac{1}{n}left(frac{1}{2^2}+frac{1}{2^3}+cdotsright)=frac{1}{2n}
$$
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The next to last inequality means $n|z_n-1|le 2^{-1} $, why is this so?
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– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 10:13
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Hint. First of all
$$
limsup n|z_n-1|<infty quadLongleftrightarrowquad {n|z_n-1|},,,text{bounded sequence}
$$
and
$$
{n|z_n-1|},,,text{bounded} quadLongleftrightarrowquad |z_n-1|<frac{c}{n}, ,,,text{for some $c>0$}.
$$
Hence, $|z_n-1|<1/2$, for large enough $n$, i.e., $nge n_0$, which means that $logbig(1+(z_n-1)big)$ is expressible as a power seires
$$
log z_n=logbig(1+(z_n-1)big)=(z_n-1)-frac{(z_n-1)^2}{2}+frac{(z_n-1)^3}{3}+cdots
$$
and thus
$$
nlog z_n=n(z_n-1)-frac{n(z_n-1)^2}{2}+frac{n(z_n-1)^3}{3}+cdots
$$
and hence
$$
|nlog z_n-n(z_n-1)|lefrac{n|z_n-1|^2}{2}+frac{n|z_n-1|^3}{3}+cdots
\ =frac{(n|z_n-1|)^2}{2n}+frac{(n|z_n-1|)^3}{3n^2}+cdots \ le
frac{1}{2ncdot 2^2}+frac{1}{3n^2cdot 2^3}+cdots<frac{1}{n}left(frac{1}{2^2}+frac{1}{2^3}+cdotsright)=frac{1}{2n}
$$
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Hint. First of all
$$
limsup n|z_n-1|<infty quadLongleftrightarrowquad {n|z_n-1|},,,text{bounded sequence}
$$
and
$$
{n|z_n-1|},,,text{bounded} quadLongleftrightarrowquad |z_n-1|<frac{c}{n}, ,,,text{for some $c>0$}.
$$
Hence, $|z_n-1|<1/2$, for large enough $n$, i.e., $nge n_0$, which means that $logbig(1+(z_n-1)big)$ is expressible as a power seires
$$
log z_n=logbig(1+(z_n-1)big)=(z_n-1)-frac{(z_n-1)^2}{2}+frac{(z_n-1)^3}{3}+cdots
$$
and thus
$$
nlog z_n=n(z_n-1)-frac{n(z_n-1)^2}{2}+frac{n(z_n-1)^3}{3}+cdots
$$
and hence
$$
|nlog z_n-n(z_n-1)|lefrac{n|z_n-1|^2}{2}+frac{n|z_n-1|^3}{3}+cdots
\ =frac{(n|z_n-1|)^2}{2n}+frac{(n|z_n-1|)^3}{3n^2}+cdots \ le
frac{1}{2ncdot 2^2}+frac{1}{3n^2cdot 2^3}+cdots<frac{1}{n}left(frac{1}{2^2}+frac{1}{2^3}+cdotsright)=frac{1}{2n}
$$
answered Dec 17 '18 at 8:49
Yiorgos S. SmyrlisYiorgos S. Smyrlis
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The next to last inequality means $n|z_n-1|le 2^{-1} $, why is this so?
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– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 10:13
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$begingroup$
The next to last inequality means $n|z_n-1|le 2^{-1} $, why is this so?
$endgroup$
– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 10:13
$begingroup$
The next to last inequality means $n|z_n-1|le 2^{-1} $, why is this so?
$endgroup$
– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 10:13
$begingroup$
The next to last inequality means $n|z_n-1|le 2^{-1} $, why is this so?
$endgroup$
– MrFranzén
Dec 17 '18 at 10:13
add a comment |
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