How real is ageism in High Tech?
How real is age-ism in high tech ? If you are over 35 are you finished ?
Could people share stories, tips or advice on their experience with ageism ?
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How real is age-ism in high tech ? If you are over 35 are you finished ?
Could people share stories, tips or advice on their experience with ageism ?
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Well of course I have no evidence of this really... but my impression is that often it's the system, e.g. recruiters or certain job requirements, that may act as a barrier against older developers. I think many tech leads, are fine, maybe even glad, to have someone more mature working for them.
– Chan-Ho Suh
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How real is age-ism in high tech ? If you are over 35 are you finished ?
Could people share stories, tips or advice on their experience with ageism ?
hiring
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sheeple
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How real is age-ism in high tech ? If you are over 35 are you finished ?
Could people share stories, tips or advice on their experience with ageism ?
hiring
hiring
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sheeple
232
asked 1 hour ago
sheeple
232
asked 1 hour ago
sheeple
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Well of course I have no evidence of this really... but my impression is that often it's the system, e.g. recruiters or certain job requirements, that may act as a barrier against older developers. I think many tech leads, are fine, maybe even glad, to have someone more mature working for them.
– Chan-Ho Suh
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Well of course I have no evidence of this really... but my impression is that often it's the system, e.g. recruiters or certain job requirements, that may act as a barrier against older developers. I think many tech leads, are fine, maybe even glad, to have someone more mature working for them.
– Chan-Ho Suh
1 hour ago
Well of course I have no evidence of this really... but my impression is that often it's the system, e.g. recruiters or certain job requirements, that may act as a barrier against older developers. I think many tech leads, are fine, maybe even glad, to have someone more mature working for them.
– Chan-Ho Suh
1 hour ago
Well of course I have no evidence of this really... but my impression is that often it's the system, e.g. recruiters or certain job requirements, that may act as a barrier against older developers. I think many tech leads, are fine, maybe even glad, to have someone more mature working for them.
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Personally, I landed the job I have now a month short of my 56th birthday, and got a nice promotion at 63. I was even fired from my previous job because I left sleep apnea untreated and nobody wanted the resulting zombie on their team. It took six months to find the new job.
I'm a senior individual contributor, my self-confessed ADD would keep me from being a useful manager, and I've been turning down management jobs for literally decades.
So, it's not absolutely systematic, and it's not always conscious when it does manifest. But I do work for one of the best outfits around, and there are lots of software jobs in the area. I'm also rather bright, have quite varied knowledge and experience, and I'm easy to work with. YMMV.
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My observation is there is quite an aggressive “filtering” process at work in Tech, which, spending on your perspective, could be interpreted as ageism.
Bad developers tend not have long careers.
The core expectation is that after 3-4 years a new developer will move from “Junior” to regular; that after a further 4-5 years a developer would move to “Senior”, and so on.
It is assumed that any incoming candidate will have a salary expectation aligned with this, and so their interview is aligned to this.
In other words, a developer with 15 years experience will be interviewed as a “Senior”, whether they want to be or not.
And if they are not good enough for that level / salary, they will simply not get any job.
In this sense, the recruitment process is much simpler for younger / less experienced devs, as the expectations are much lower.
But good devs will always find work, regardless of age.
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Personally, I landed the job I have now a month short of my 56th birthday, and got a nice promotion at 63. I was even fired from my previous job because I left sleep apnea untreated and nobody wanted the resulting zombie on their team. It took six months to find the new job.
I'm a senior individual contributor, my self-confessed ADD would keep me from being a useful manager, and I've been turning down management jobs for literally decades.
So, it's not absolutely systematic, and it's not always conscious when it does manifest. But I do work for one of the best outfits around, and there are lots of software jobs in the area. I'm also rather bright, have quite varied knowledge and experience, and I'm easy to work with. YMMV.
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Personally, I landed the job I have now a month short of my 56th birthday, and got a nice promotion at 63. I was even fired from my previous job because I left sleep apnea untreated and nobody wanted the resulting zombie on their team. It took six months to find the new job.
I'm a senior individual contributor, my self-confessed ADD would keep me from being a useful manager, and I've been turning down management jobs for literally decades.
So, it's not absolutely systematic, and it's not always conscious when it does manifest. But I do work for one of the best outfits around, and there are lots of software jobs in the area. I'm also rather bright, have quite varied knowledge and experience, and I'm easy to work with. YMMV.
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Personally, I landed the job I have now a month short of my 56th birthday, and got a nice promotion at 63. I was even fired from my previous job because I left sleep apnea untreated and nobody wanted the resulting zombie on their team. It took six months to find the new job.
I'm a senior individual contributor, my self-confessed ADD would keep me from being a useful manager, and I've been turning down management jobs for literally decades.
So, it's not absolutely systematic, and it's not always conscious when it does manifest. But I do work for one of the best outfits around, and there are lots of software jobs in the area. I'm also rather bright, have quite varied knowledge and experience, and I'm easy to work with. YMMV.
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Personally, I landed the job I have now a month short of my 56th birthday, and got a nice promotion at 63. I was even fired from my previous job because I left sleep apnea untreated and nobody wanted the resulting zombie on their team. It took six months to find the new job.
I'm a senior individual contributor, my self-confessed ADD would keep me from being a useful manager, and I've been turning down management jobs for literally decades.
So, it's not absolutely systematic, and it's not always conscious when it does manifest. But I do work for one of the best outfits around, and there are lots of software jobs in the area. I'm also rather bright, have quite varied knowledge and experience, and I'm easy to work with. YMMV.
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My observation is there is quite an aggressive “filtering” process at work in Tech, which, spending on your perspective, could be interpreted as ageism.
Bad developers tend not have long careers.
The core expectation is that after 3-4 years a new developer will move from “Junior” to regular; that after a further 4-5 years a developer would move to “Senior”, and so on.
It is assumed that any incoming candidate will have a salary expectation aligned with this, and so their interview is aligned to this.
In other words, a developer with 15 years experience will be interviewed as a “Senior”, whether they want to be or not.
And if they are not good enough for that level / salary, they will simply not get any job.
In this sense, the recruitment process is much simpler for younger / less experienced devs, as the expectations are much lower.
But good devs will always find work, regardless of age.
answered 33 mins ago
Joe Stevens
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My observation is there is quite an aggressive “filtering” process at work in Tech, which, spending on your perspective, could be interpreted as ageism.
Bad developers tend not have long careers.
The core expectation is that after 3-4 years a new developer will move from “Junior” to regular; that after a further 4-5 years a developer would move to “Senior”, and so on.
It is assumed that any incoming candidate will have a salary expectation aligned with this, and so their interview is aligned to this.
In other words, a developer with 15 years experience will be interviewed as a “Senior”, whether they want to be or not.
And if they are not good enough for that level / salary, they will simply not get any job.
In this sense, the recruitment process is much simpler for younger / less experienced devs, as the expectations are much lower.
But good devs will always find work, regardless of age.
answered 33 mins ago
Joe Stevens
2,210279
add a comment |
My observation is there is quite an aggressive “filtering” process at work in Tech, which, spending on your perspective, could be interpreted as ageism.
Bad developers tend not have long careers.
The core expectation is that after 3-4 years a new developer will move from “Junior” to regular; that after a further 4-5 years a developer would move to “Senior”, and so on.
It is assumed that any incoming candidate will have a salary expectation aligned with this, and so their interview is aligned to this.
In other words, a developer with 15 years experience will be interviewed as a “Senior”, whether they want to be or not.
And if they are not good enough for that level / salary, they will simply not get any job.
In this sense, the recruitment process is much simpler for younger / less experienced devs, as the expectations are much lower.
But good devs will always find work, regardless of age.
answered 33 mins ago
Joe Stevens
2,210279
My observation is there is quite an aggressive “filtering” process at work in Tech, which, spending on your perspective, could be interpreted as ageism.
Bad developers tend not have long careers.
The core expectation is that after 3-4 years a new developer will move from “Junior” to regular; that after a further 4-5 years a developer would move to “Senior”, and so on.
It is assumed that any incoming candidate will have a salary expectation aligned with this, and so their interview is aligned to this.
In other words, a developer with 15 years experience will be interviewed as a “Senior”, whether they want to be or not.
And if they are not good enough for that level / salary, they will simply not get any job.
In this sense, the recruitment process is much simpler for younger / less experienced devs, as the expectations are much lower.
But good devs will always find work, regardless of age.
answered 33 mins ago
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Well of course I have no evidence of this really... but my impression is that often it's the system, e.g. recruiters or certain job requirements, that may act as a barrier against older developers. I think many tech leads, are fine, maybe even glad, to have someone more mature working for them.
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