Non total orthonormal set in a non Hilbert inner product space












1












$begingroup$


Suppose there exist a subset $M$ of an inner product space $X$, and the orthogonal complement of $M $ is the zero vector. If $X $ is a Hilbert Space then the span of $M $ will be dense in $X $, but this is not always true if $X $ is not a complete inner product space. Are there any examples of an orthonormal set in a non complete inner product space such that the orthorgonal complement of this set consists only of the zero vector, but this set is not a total orthonormal set? Thank you in advance.










share|cite|improve this question









$endgroup$












  • $begingroup$
    Are you looking for an orthonormal set in an inner product space with orthonormal complement ${0}$ but which does not have a dense linear span? Because I doubt the existence of such a set. I'm not certain though.
    $endgroup$
    – SmileyCraft
    Dec 12 '18 at 18:18










  • $begingroup$
    Any orthonormal set $E $ in any inner product space $X $ thats non Hilbert, such that the orthogonal complement of $E $, denoted by $E^c $ is the zero vector and there exists no other $xin X $ that is in $E^c $ and span $E $ is not dense in $X $. Just a thought when reading Functional Analysis by Kreyszig.
    $endgroup$
    – Jonathan Ng
    Dec 12 '18 at 18:31
















1












$begingroup$


Suppose there exist a subset $M$ of an inner product space $X$, and the orthogonal complement of $M $ is the zero vector. If $X $ is a Hilbert Space then the span of $M $ will be dense in $X $, but this is not always true if $X $ is not a complete inner product space. Are there any examples of an orthonormal set in a non complete inner product space such that the orthorgonal complement of this set consists only of the zero vector, but this set is not a total orthonormal set? Thank you in advance.










share|cite|improve this question









$endgroup$












  • $begingroup$
    Are you looking for an orthonormal set in an inner product space with orthonormal complement ${0}$ but which does not have a dense linear span? Because I doubt the existence of such a set. I'm not certain though.
    $endgroup$
    – SmileyCraft
    Dec 12 '18 at 18:18










  • $begingroup$
    Any orthonormal set $E $ in any inner product space $X $ thats non Hilbert, such that the orthogonal complement of $E $, denoted by $E^c $ is the zero vector and there exists no other $xin X $ that is in $E^c $ and span $E $ is not dense in $X $. Just a thought when reading Functional Analysis by Kreyszig.
    $endgroup$
    – Jonathan Ng
    Dec 12 '18 at 18:31














1












1








1





$begingroup$


Suppose there exist a subset $M$ of an inner product space $X$, and the orthogonal complement of $M $ is the zero vector. If $X $ is a Hilbert Space then the span of $M $ will be dense in $X $, but this is not always true if $X $ is not a complete inner product space. Are there any examples of an orthonormal set in a non complete inner product space such that the orthorgonal complement of this set consists only of the zero vector, but this set is not a total orthonormal set? Thank you in advance.










share|cite|improve this question









$endgroup$




Suppose there exist a subset $M$ of an inner product space $X$, and the orthogonal complement of $M $ is the zero vector. If $X $ is a Hilbert Space then the span of $M $ will be dense in $X $, but this is not always true if $X $ is not a complete inner product space. Are there any examples of an orthonormal set in a non complete inner product space such that the orthorgonal complement of this set consists only of the zero vector, but this set is not a total orthonormal set? Thank you in advance.







hilbert-spaces inner-product-space orthonormal






share|cite|improve this question













share|cite|improve this question











share|cite|improve this question




share|cite|improve this question










asked Dec 12 '18 at 18:08









Jonathan NgJonathan Ng

112




112












  • $begingroup$
    Are you looking for an orthonormal set in an inner product space with orthonormal complement ${0}$ but which does not have a dense linear span? Because I doubt the existence of such a set. I'm not certain though.
    $endgroup$
    – SmileyCraft
    Dec 12 '18 at 18:18










  • $begingroup$
    Any orthonormal set $E $ in any inner product space $X $ thats non Hilbert, such that the orthogonal complement of $E $, denoted by $E^c $ is the zero vector and there exists no other $xin X $ that is in $E^c $ and span $E $ is not dense in $X $. Just a thought when reading Functional Analysis by Kreyszig.
    $endgroup$
    – Jonathan Ng
    Dec 12 '18 at 18:31


















  • $begingroup$
    Are you looking for an orthonormal set in an inner product space with orthonormal complement ${0}$ but which does not have a dense linear span? Because I doubt the existence of such a set. I'm not certain though.
    $endgroup$
    – SmileyCraft
    Dec 12 '18 at 18:18










  • $begingroup$
    Any orthonormal set $E $ in any inner product space $X $ thats non Hilbert, such that the orthogonal complement of $E $, denoted by $E^c $ is the zero vector and there exists no other $xin X $ that is in $E^c $ and span $E $ is not dense in $X $. Just a thought when reading Functional Analysis by Kreyszig.
    $endgroup$
    – Jonathan Ng
    Dec 12 '18 at 18:31
















$begingroup$
Are you looking for an orthonormal set in an inner product space with orthonormal complement ${0}$ but which does not have a dense linear span? Because I doubt the existence of such a set. I'm not certain though.
$endgroup$
– SmileyCraft
Dec 12 '18 at 18:18




$begingroup$
Are you looking for an orthonormal set in an inner product space with orthonormal complement ${0}$ but which does not have a dense linear span? Because I doubt the existence of such a set. I'm not certain though.
$endgroup$
– SmileyCraft
Dec 12 '18 at 18:18












$begingroup$
Any orthonormal set $E $ in any inner product space $X $ thats non Hilbert, such that the orthogonal complement of $E $, denoted by $E^c $ is the zero vector and there exists no other $xin X $ that is in $E^c $ and span $E $ is not dense in $X $. Just a thought when reading Functional Analysis by Kreyszig.
$endgroup$
– Jonathan Ng
Dec 12 '18 at 18:31




$begingroup$
Any orthonormal set $E $ in any inner product space $X $ thats non Hilbert, such that the orthogonal complement of $E $, denoted by $E^c $ is the zero vector and there exists no other $xin X $ that is in $E^c $ and span $E $ is not dense in $X $. Just a thought when reading Functional Analysis by Kreyszig.
$endgroup$
– Jonathan Ng
Dec 12 '18 at 18:31










1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes


















2












$begingroup$

Let $E$ be the space of sequences of real numbers with finite support endowed with the $l^2$ inner product and define the linear form $phi colon E to mathbb{R}$ by
$$phi(x) = sum_{n = 0}^infty frac{x_n}{n+1}, quad x in E.$$
Then $phi$ is a continuous linear form, so that $F = ker phi$ is a closed subspace. Notice that $F neq E$ (for instance take $x_0 = 1, x_1=0, x_2 = 0, ldots$). In particular $F$ is not dense in $E$. Finally we can show that $F^perp = {0}$ (see below for a more elegant solution). Indeed let $y in F^perp$ and fix $n geq 0$. Define $x in E$ by
$$begin{align*}x_n &= n+1, \
x_{n+1} &= -(n+2),\
x_k &= 0, quad k notin {n,n+1}.end{align*}$$

Then $x in F$ so that by definition of $y$ we have $0 = langle x,y rangle = (n+1)y_n - (n+2)y_{n+1}$, i.e. $$y_{n+1} = frac{n+1}{n+2} , y_n.$$
This is true for all $ngeq 0$. Since we assumed that $y$ has finite support, this is only possible if $y equiv 0$.





As suggested in the comment by Hanno, another way to prove that $F^perp = {0}$ is the following: notice that $phi(x) = langle x , a rangle$ with $a = left( frac{1}{n+1} right)_{n geq 0} in l^2- E$. Then in $l^2$, we have $ker phi = {a}^perp$ and $(ker phi)^perp = text{span}{a}$, so $F^perp = text{span}{a} cap E = {0}$.






share|cite|improve this answer











$endgroup$









  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Let me state two points (1) A bit misleading: You write "Notice that $Fneq E$", but the $x$ given inside the parentheses illustrates $kerphine{0}$. (2) Conceptual: The linear form is $phi(x) = langle x,a rangle$ with fixed $a = left(frac 1{n+1}right)_{n=0,1,dots}in ell^2(mathbb N_0)backslash E,$. Then in $ell^2(mathbb N_0)$ one has $(kerphi)^perp = langle arangle$, and $langle aranglecap E ={0}$.
    $endgroup$
    – Hanno
    Dec 29 '18 at 9:55












  • $begingroup$
    @Hanno (1) Yes you are correct about that and I will edit my post. (2) I chose not to talk about $l^2$ because in my eyes it is more confusing than anything else, but again you are correct and it is definitely a more elegant solution. Thanks for the remarks.
    $endgroup$
    – Michh
    Dec 29 '18 at 11:04










  • $begingroup$
    The title of the question would suggest that the OP is looking for an orthonormal subset with this property, not an entire subspace. Can you find an orthonormal basis for $F$? It exists by Gram-Schmidt but that isn't really explicit.
    $endgroup$
    – mechanodroid
    Dec 29 '18 at 11:42








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @mechanodroid Reading off from the answer, the set ${e_n-frac{n+2}{n+1}e_{n+1}mid ninmathbb N_0}$ is a basis for F. Running Gram-Schmidt would yield an orthonormal one, but I do not feel any necessity to carry this through.
    $endgroup$
    – Hanno
    Dec 29 '18 at 12:03










  • $begingroup$
    @Hanno You're right, I agree.
    $endgroup$
    – mechanodroid
    Dec 29 '18 at 12:29











Your Answer





StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function () {
return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function () {
StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix) {
StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["$", "$"], ["\\(","\\)"]]);
});
});
}, "mathjax-editing");

StackExchange.ready(function() {
var channelOptions = {
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "69"
};
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
createEditor();
});
}
else {
createEditor();
}
});

function createEditor() {
StackExchange.prepareEditor({
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: true,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: 10,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader: {
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
},
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
});


}
});














draft saved

draft discarded


















StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3037033%2fnon-total-orthonormal-set-in-a-non-hilbert-inner-product-space%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown

























1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes








1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes









active

oldest

votes






active

oldest

votes









2












$begingroup$

Let $E$ be the space of sequences of real numbers with finite support endowed with the $l^2$ inner product and define the linear form $phi colon E to mathbb{R}$ by
$$phi(x) = sum_{n = 0}^infty frac{x_n}{n+1}, quad x in E.$$
Then $phi$ is a continuous linear form, so that $F = ker phi$ is a closed subspace. Notice that $F neq E$ (for instance take $x_0 = 1, x_1=0, x_2 = 0, ldots$). In particular $F$ is not dense in $E$. Finally we can show that $F^perp = {0}$ (see below for a more elegant solution). Indeed let $y in F^perp$ and fix $n geq 0$. Define $x in E$ by
$$begin{align*}x_n &= n+1, \
x_{n+1} &= -(n+2),\
x_k &= 0, quad k notin {n,n+1}.end{align*}$$

Then $x in F$ so that by definition of $y$ we have $0 = langle x,y rangle = (n+1)y_n - (n+2)y_{n+1}$, i.e. $$y_{n+1} = frac{n+1}{n+2} , y_n.$$
This is true for all $ngeq 0$. Since we assumed that $y$ has finite support, this is only possible if $y equiv 0$.





As suggested in the comment by Hanno, another way to prove that $F^perp = {0}$ is the following: notice that $phi(x) = langle x , a rangle$ with $a = left( frac{1}{n+1} right)_{n geq 0} in l^2- E$. Then in $l^2$, we have $ker phi = {a}^perp$ and $(ker phi)^perp = text{span}{a}$, so $F^perp = text{span}{a} cap E = {0}$.






share|cite|improve this answer











$endgroup$









  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Let me state two points (1) A bit misleading: You write "Notice that $Fneq E$", but the $x$ given inside the parentheses illustrates $kerphine{0}$. (2) Conceptual: The linear form is $phi(x) = langle x,a rangle$ with fixed $a = left(frac 1{n+1}right)_{n=0,1,dots}in ell^2(mathbb N_0)backslash E,$. Then in $ell^2(mathbb N_0)$ one has $(kerphi)^perp = langle arangle$, and $langle aranglecap E ={0}$.
    $endgroup$
    – Hanno
    Dec 29 '18 at 9:55












  • $begingroup$
    @Hanno (1) Yes you are correct about that and I will edit my post. (2) I chose not to talk about $l^2$ because in my eyes it is more confusing than anything else, but again you are correct and it is definitely a more elegant solution. Thanks for the remarks.
    $endgroup$
    – Michh
    Dec 29 '18 at 11:04










  • $begingroup$
    The title of the question would suggest that the OP is looking for an orthonormal subset with this property, not an entire subspace. Can you find an orthonormal basis for $F$? It exists by Gram-Schmidt but that isn't really explicit.
    $endgroup$
    – mechanodroid
    Dec 29 '18 at 11:42








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @mechanodroid Reading off from the answer, the set ${e_n-frac{n+2}{n+1}e_{n+1}mid ninmathbb N_0}$ is a basis for F. Running Gram-Schmidt would yield an orthonormal one, but I do not feel any necessity to carry this through.
    $endgroup$
    – Hanno
    Dec 29 '18 at 12:03










  • $begingroup$
    @Hanno You're right, I agree.
    $endgroup$
    – mechanodroid
    Dec 29 '18 at 12:29
















2












$begingroup$

Let $E$ be the space of sequences of real numbers with finite support endowed with the $l^2$ inner product and define the linear form $phi colon E to mathbb{R}$ by
$$phi(x) = sum_{n = 0}^infty frac{x_n}{n+1}, quad x in E.$$
Then $phi$ is a continuous linear form, so that $F = ker phi$ is a closed subspace. Notice that $F neq E$ (for instance take $x_0 = 1, x_1=0, x_2 = 0, ldots$). In particular $F$ is not dense in $E$. Finally we can show that $F^perp = {0}$ (see below for a more elegant solution). Indeed let $y in F^perp$ and fix $n geq 0$. Define $x in E$ by
$$begin{align*}x_n &= n+1, \
x_{n+1} &= -(n+2),\
x_k &= 0, quad k notin {n,n+1}.end{align*}$$

Then $x in F$ so that by definition of $y$ we have $0 = langle x,y rangle = (n+1)y_n - (n+2)y_{n+1}$, i.e. $$y_{n+1} = frac{n+1}{n+2} , y_n.$$
This is true for all $ngeq 0$. Since we assumed that $y$ has finite support, this is only possible if $y equiv 0$.





As suggested in the comment by Hanno, another way to prove that $F^perp = {0}$ is the following: notice that $phi(x) = langle x , a rangle$ with $a = left( frac{1}{n+1} right)_{n geq 0} in l^2- E$. Then in $l^2$, we have $ker phi = {a}^perp$ and $(ker phi)^perp = text{span}{a}$, so $F^perp = text{span}{a} cap E = {0}$.






share|cite|improve this answer











$endgroup$









  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Let me state two points (1) A bit misleading: You write "Notice that $Fneq E$", but the $x$ given inside the parentheses illustrates $kerphine{0}$. (2) Conceptual: The linear form is $phi(x) = langle x,a rangle$ with fixed $a = left(frac 1{n+1}right)_{n=0,1,dots}in ell^2(mathbb N_0)backslash E,$. Then in $ell^2(mathbb N_0)$ one has $(kerphi)^perp = langle arangle$, and $langle aranglecap E ={0}$.
    $endgroup$
    – Hanno
    Dec 29 '18 at 9:55












  • $begingroup$
    @Hanno (1) Yes you are correct about that and I will edit my post. (2) I chose not to talk about $l^2$ because in my eyes it is more confusing than anything else, but again you are correct and it is definitely a more elegant solution. Thanks for the remarks.
    $endgroup$
    – Michh
    Dec 29 '18 at 11:04










  • $begingroup$
    The title of the question would suggest that the OP is looking for an orthonormal subset with this property, not an entire subspace. Can you find an orthonormal basis for $F$? It exists by Gram-Schmidt but that isn't really explicit.
    $endgroup$
    – mechanodroid
    Dec 29 '18 at 11:42








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @mechanodroid Reading off from the answer, the set ${e_n-frac{n+2}{n+1}e_{n+1}mid ninmathbb N_0}$ is a basis for F. Running Gram-Schmidt would yield an orthonormal one, but I do not feel any necessity to carry this through.
    $endgroup$
    – Hanno
    Dec 29 '18 at 12:03










  • $begingroup$
    @Hanno You're right, I agree.
    $endgroup$
    – mechanodroid
    Dec 29 '18 at 12:29














2












2








2





$begingroup$

Let $E$ be the space of sequences of real numbers with finite support endowed with the $l^2$ inner product and define the linear form $phi colon E to mathbb{R}$ by
$$phi(x) = sum_{n = 0}^infty frac{x_n}{n+1}, quad x in E.$$
Then $phi$ is a continuous linear form, so that $F = ker phi$ is a closed subspace. Notice that $F neq E$ (for instance take $x_0 = 1, x_1=0, x_2 = 0, ldots$). In particular $F$ is not dense in $E$. Finally we can show that $F^perp = {0}$ (see below for a more elegant solution). Indeed let $y in F^perp$ and fix $n geq 0$. Define $x in E$ by
$$begin{align*}x_n &= n+1, \
x_{n+1} &= -(n+2),\
x_k &= 0, quad k notin {n,n+1}.end{align*}$$

Then $x in F$ so that by definition of $y$ we have $0 = langle x,y rangle = (n+1)y_n - (n+2)y_{n+1}$, i.e. $$y_{n+1} = frac{n+1}{n+2} , y_n.$$
This is true for all $ngeq 0$. Since we assumed that $y$ has finite support, this is only possible if $y equiv 0$.





As suggested in the comment by Hanno, another way to prove that $F^perp = {0}$ is the following: notice that $phi(x) = langle x , a rangle$ with $a = left( frac{1}{n+1} right)_{n geq 0} in l^2- E$. Then in $l^2$, we have $ker phi = {a}^perp$ and $(ker phi)^perp = text{span}{a}$, so $F^perp = text{span}{a} cap E = {0}$.






share|cite|improve this answer











$endgroup$



Let $E$ be the space of sequences of real numbers with finite support endowed with the $l^2$ inner product and define the linear form $phi colon E to mathbb{R}$ by
$$phi(x) = sum_{n = 0}^infty frac{x_n}{n+1}, quad x in E.$$
Then $phi$ is a continuous linear form, so that $F = ker phi$ is a closed subspace. Notice that $F neq E$ (for instance take $x_0 = 1, x_1=0, x_2 = 0, ldots$). In particular $F$ is not dense in $E$. Finally we can show that $F^perp = {0}$ (see below for a more elegant solution). Indeed let $y in F^perp$ and fix $n geq 0$. Define $x in E$ by
$$begin{align*}x_n &= n+1, \
x_{n+1} &= -(n+2),\
x_k &= 0, quad k notin {n,n+1}.end{align*}$$

Then $x in F$ so that by definition of $y$ we have $0 = langle x,y rangle = (n+1)y_n - (n+2)y_{n+1}$, i.e. $$y_{n+1} = frac{n+1}{n+2} , y_n.$$
This is true for all $ngeq 0$. Since we assumed that $y$ has finite support, this is only possible if $y equiv 0$.





As suggested in the comment by Hanno, another way to prove that $F^perp = {0}$ is the following: notice that $phi(x) = langle x , a rangle$ with $a = left( frac{1}{n+1} right)_{n geq 0} in l^2- E$. Then in $l^2$, we have $ker phi = {a}^perp$ and $(ker phi)^perp = text{span}{a}$, so $F^perp = text{span}{a} cap E = {0}$.







share|cite|improve this answer














share|cite|improve this answer



share|cite|improve this answer








edited Dec 29 '18 at 11:32

























answered Dec 28 '18 at 2:13









MichhMichh

22316




22316








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Let me state two points (1) A bit misleading: You write "Notice that $Fneq E$", but the $x$ given inside the parentheses illustrates $kerphine{0}$. (2) Conceptual: The linear form is $phi(x) = langle x,a rangle$ with fixed $a = left(frac 1{n+1}right)_{n=0,1,dots}in ell^2(mathbb N_0)backslash E,$. Then in $ell^2(mathbb N_0)$ one has $(kerphi)^perp = langle arangle$, and $langle aranglecap E ={0}$.
    $endgroup$
    – Hanno
    Dec 29 '18 at 9:55












  • $begingroup$
    @Hanno (1) Yes you are correct about that and I will edit my post. (2) I chose not to talk about $l^2$ because in my eyes it is more confusing than anything else, but again you are correct and it is definitely a more elegant solution. Thanks for the remarks.
    $endgroup$
    – Michh
    Dec 29 '18 at 11:04










  • $begingroup$
    The title of the question would suggest that the OP is looking for an orthonormal subset with this property, not an entire subspace. Can you find an orthonormal basis for $F$? It exists by Gram-Schmidt but that isn't really explicit.
    $endgroup$
    – mechanodroid
    Dec 29 '18 at 11:42








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @mechanodroid Reading off from the answer, the set ${e_n-frac{n+2}{n+1}e_{n+1}mid ninmathbb N_0}$ is a basis for F. Running Gram-Schmidt would yield an orthonormal one, but I do not feel any necessity to carry this through.
    $endgroup$
    – Hanno
    Dec 29 '18 at 12:03










  • $begingroup$
    @Hanno You're right, I agree.
    $endgroup$
    – mechanodroid
    Dec 29 '18 at 12:29














  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Let me state two points (1) A bit misleading: You write "Notice that $Fneq E$", but the $x$ given inside the parentheses illustrates $kerphine{0}$. (2) Conceptual: The linear form is $phi(x) = langle x,a rangle$ with fixed $a = left(frac 1{n+1}right)_{n=0,1,dots}in ell^2(mathbb N_0)backslash E,$. Then in $ell^2(mathbb N_0)$ one has $(kerphi)^perp = langle arangle$, and $langle aranglecap E ={0}$.
    $endgroup$
    – Hanno
    Dec 29 '18 at 9:55












  • $begingroup$
    @Hanno (1) Yes you are correct about that and I will edit my post. (2) I chose not to talk about $l^2$ because in my eyes it is more confusing than anything else, but again you are correct and it is definitely a more elegant solution. Thanks for the remarks.
    $endgroup$
    – Michh
    Dec 29 '18 at 11:04










  • $begingroup$
    The title of the question would suggest that the OP is looking for an orthonormal subset with this property, not an entire subspace. Can you find an orthonormal basis for $F$? It exists by Gram-Schmidt but that isn't really explicit.
    $endgroup$
    – mechanodroid
    Dec 29 '18 at 11:42








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @mechanodroid Reading off from the answer, the set ${e_n-frac{n+2}{n+1}e_{n+1}mid ninmathbb N_0}$ is a basis for F. Running Gram-Schmidt would yield an orthonormal one, but I do not feel any necessity to carry this through.
    $endgroup$
    – Hanno
    Dec 29 '18 at 12:03










  • $begingroup$
    @Hanno You're right, I agree.
    $endgroup$
    – mechanodroid
    Dec 29 '18 at 12:29








1




1




$begingroup$
Let me state two points (1) A bit misleading: You write "Notice that $Fneq E$", but the $x$ given inside the parentheses illustrates $kerphine{0}$. (2) Conceptual: The linear form is $phi(x) = langle x,a rangle$ with fixed $a = left(frac 1{n+1}right)_{n=0,1,dots}in ell^2(mathbb N_0)backslash E,$. Then in $ell^2(mathbb N_0)$ one has $(kerphi)^perp = langle arangle$, and $langle aranglecap E ={0}$.
$endgroup$
– Hanno
Dec 29 '18 at 9:55






$begingroup$
Let me state two points (1) A bit misleading: You write "Notice that $Fneq E$", but the $x$ given inside the parentheses illustrates $kerphine{0}$. (2) Conceptual: The linear form is $phi(x) = langle x,a rangle$ with fixed $a = left(frac 1{n+1}right)_{n=0,1,dots}in ell^2(mathbb N_0)backslash E,$. Then in $ell^2(mathbb N_0)$ one has $(kerphi)^perp = langle arangle$, and $langle aranglecap E ={0}$.
$endgroup$
– Hanno
Dec 29 '18 at 9:55














$begingroup$
@Hanno (1) Yes you are correct about that and I will edit my post. (2) I chose not to talk about $l^2$ because in my eyes it is more confusing than anything else, but again you are correct and it is definitely a more elegant solution. Thanks for the remarks.
$endgroup$
– Michh
Dec 29 '18 at 11:04




$begingroup$
@Hanno (1) Yes you are correct about that and I will edit my post. (2) I chose not to talk about $l^2$ because in my eyes it is more confusing than anything else, but again you are correct and it is definitely a more elegant solution. Thanks for the remarks.
$endgroup$
– Michh
Dec 29 '18 at 11:04












$begingroup$
The title of the question would suggest that the OP is looking for an orthonormal subset with this property, not an entire subspace. Can you find an orthonormal basis for $F$? It exists by Gram-Schmidt but that isn't really explicit.
$endgroup$
– mechanodroid
Dec 29 '18 at 11:42






$begingroup$
The title of the question would suggest that the OP is looking for an orthonormal subset with this property, not an entire subspace. Can you find an orthonormal basis for $F$? It exists by Gram-Schmidt but that isn't really explicit.
$endgroup$
– mechanodroid
Dec 29 '18 at 11:42






1




1




$begingroup$
@mechanodroid Reading off from the answer, the set ${e_n-frac{n+2}{n+1}e_{n+1}mid ninmathbb N_0}$ is a basis for F. Running Gram-Schmidt would yield an orthonormal one, but I do not feel any necessity to carry this through.
$endgroup$
– Hanno
Dec 29 '18 at 12:03




$begingroup$
@mechanodroid Reading off from the answer, the set ${e_n-frac{n+2}{n+1}e_{n+1}mid ninmathbb N_0}$ is a basis for F. Running Gram-Schmidt would yield an orthonormal one, but I do not feel any necessity to carry this through.
$endgroup$
– Hanno
Dec 29 '18 at 12:03












$begingroup$
@Hanno You're right, I agree.
$endgroup$
– mechanodroid
Dec 29 '18 at 12:29




$begingroup$
@Hanno You're right, I agree.
$endgroup$
– mechanodroid
Dec 29 '18 at 12:29


















draft saved

draft discarded




















































Thanks for contributing an answer to Mathematics Stack Exchange!


  • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

But avoid



  • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

  • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.


To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




draft saved


draft discarded














StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3037033%2fnon-total-orthonormal-set-in-a-non-hilbert-inner-product-space%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown





















































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown

































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown







Popular posts from this blog

Bundesstraße 106

Verónica Boquete

Ida-Boy-Ed-Garten